Why would you Oppose a wall on our Border? Lets find out.

Pretty close considering it for their benefit not ours.

The United States contributes the most to the alliance, funding around 70 per cent of Nato spending.

 

What does that have to do with anything I posted in your quote?

 

Are ground sensors and intrusion sensors currently implemented, or is this something that you're predicting will be rolled out with a wall?

You mean one with slats? What if it wasn't slats?

 

It costs us $2,614,214,899 per year just for beds for the detainees, not including health care, food or legal fees to provide all of them with attorneys. If you can get Mexico to pay for that then no wall. There is another solution, we can shoot all Criminal Alien illegals that we catch eliminating the possibility of their return without a wall OR we can put a bounty on catching illegals and turning them over to ice with an instant deportation process.

"Mexico’s did not pay for their wall, we did. Plus, they just took Palistinian land".

So, now Mexico now has taken Palestinian land? Those guys sure get around!

 

We never expect you to prove your assertions.

 

What the hell makes you think that my questions are rhetorical? My questions demand answers, but you have demonstrated that you are totally incapable of giving any! I have to hand it to you though, 'your questions are rhetorical so I don't need to answer them' is an excuse which I've never heard before! Well done! That's certainly unique!

You said this in your last post and I challenged you on it. Again, what's your point? That aliens will be able to just walk through any part of the border? I don't expect an answer! That would require you to be competent at answering questions!

 

How does the fact that they took Palestinian land contribute to their wall working?

 

I don't think so, any real wall would need to include them.

Any steel wall is easily defeated with a Sawzall, extra batteries and a few replacement blades.

 

I don't think anything. I'm not even ASSUMING anything. I'm just saying that it is POSSIBLE. You however, are ASSUMING that there is no plan. It could be that it is being kept a secret because too much detail could help people to plan how they might be able to get around the wall. For example, a plan would reveal the areas that will be covered by the wall. If people knew this, they could plan their journey pretty easily. Have the media asked Trump why he hasn't released plans and an indication of design/scope? If not, is this a question that you think they should be asking him?

Who is caving? The dems? I thought they were committed to standing their ground.

How much were they giving for the border?

You mean reopening the government?

What the hell? You mean my scenario actually happened in the past?

 

So you admit that the Dems are equally "holding federal employees and government services hostage?"

 

When a guy's got nuthin, it's just another of their excuses.

 

Doesn't the blade need an edge?

 

Yep and if they buy carbide blades, it will make short work of regular steel slats.

 

The wall will absolutely 100% stop SOME illegal immigration and SOME drug trafficking.

How much of both of those? We don't know.....

Will it recoup a $5 Billion investment is the big question I have.

In 2015 a total of 1,555,552 lbs. of drugs were brought across the Southern border with:

Weed - 1.5M lbs
Meth - 6,429 lbs
Cocaine - 4,294 lbs
Heroin - 86 lbs

https://drugabuse.com/featured/drug-trafficking-across-borders/

Since 2015 authorities have claimed a drop of a little over a third (33%) in Weed trafficking, but stated:

Weed has decreased by a third, cocaine increased by a third, heroin rose by 40 percent and meth seizures spiked by more than 250 percent.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/new...-mexico-border-patrol-drugs-seized/353260002/

So with that we can assume something close to: (average street prices were found online, the heroin one was pretty tough, anyone have a better number let me know)

Weed - 1.0M lbs (@ $2,000/lb = $2,000,000,000)
Meth - 16,072.5 lbs (@ $21,000/lb = $337,522,500)
Cocaine - 5,731 lbs (@$24,000/lb = $137,544,000)
Heroin - 124 lbs (@ $90,600/lb = $11,234,400)

Grand Total = $2,486,300,900 in drugs per year.

If the wall stops 50% of that, it will be worth it ("paid for") in 4 years, or one Presidential term.

So looking at those numbers, the wall to me seems like an absolute no brainer, especially with the massive increases in Meth coming across the border.

Now, this leaves out any "social aspects" that building a wall creates. I love immigrants and think anyone wanting to come through should go through a checkpoint legally, so I don't have a problem with a wall, being that it only effects people trying to break the law.

This, OP, is why I am for the wall, the only way I could see someone being against the wall is if they really thought it was THAT racist, or if they just absolutely hated Trump and don't want him to have any "wins". Since many Democrats have voted for a barrier in the past, I assume it is the latter.


EDIT

Also like to add that Mexico is by far the largest supplier of Meth and that 39% of all Heroin found in the US originates from Mexico.

Those two things rigth there are HUGE for me personally as I have lost one friend to heroin and konw two people who have had meth ruin their lives.

 

Correct, because houses don't have 30 foot walls. You dodged that one well! So lets try this:
If you were walking down the street until you reached a 30 foot wall do you think that it might make it SLIGHTLY more difficult for you to continue your walk down the street? Do you want to explain how you would breach it with ease? I won't be surprised if you dodge once again! Keep in mind, that I am asking you this because you questioned if a wall would be effective.

Did Trump say that it WOULD be enough to complete the entire project? What is wrong with starting it off?
Are you seriously arguing that if it can't be built from one single intake of federal funding, then it shouldn't be built at all?

Aren't you getting tired of making this argument? I'm certainly not tired of DESTROYING this laughable argument! Two questions for you, if you are even remotely capable of answering:

1. Just because MOST arrive via ports of entry, why does that mean that the government should forget about the rest?

2. How do known criminals who have been deported get back in?

Why do you mention this?

You dodged for a second time. Will there be a third? Name one single "RACIST" claim. If you are even remotely capable that is,
although you are starting to demonstrate that you are not! You COULD just say that you don't actually have anything!

 

What do you say to the argument that most drugs pass through a port of entry?

 

The problem that you have is that your article didn't specify that the map showed drugs flow via ports of entry!

 

In 2015 1.555 of 1.564M lbs of drugs (99.4%) were brought by means of the Southern Border.

While it isn't possible to know how much is truck and how much is otherwise, those that support a wall think that by protecting the soft spots, we would be able to put more resources towards the hard spots like checkpoints.

You can disagree with that, it is debatable, but I am very comfortable in saying that a wall would drastically cut the 1.555M lbs of drugs (99.4%) coming from the Southern Border to the point that the price tag is well worth it.

And we aren't even talking about the illegal immigrants that come in without a green card, further harming the economy by coming over illegally instead of legally.

 

Definitely agree, if I had to put a number on it I would say it is probably 2/3 from port of entries and 1/3 from border crossings.

As my post above states, I believe that a wall covering the soft spots would allow better coverage at the points of entry. It's pretty basic military strategy type stuff.

Unfortunately this is the point where people are just going to have to politely state their opinion, vote and agree to disagree.

I believe it would stop enough to make it well worth it, others possibly do not. Gotta remember that controlling immigration is another big, possibly bigger, part of the cost.

I just hope people aren't saying no to it immediately because "Orange Man Bad", which is what it looks like to me

 

A fine example. Trump wants a wall to stop drug smuggling. Drug cartels are probably spending money to promote that because drugs coming in via routes "secured" by a wall that can be dug under, thrown over or flown over is really negligible. What they fear is the Dem proposal to modernize the entry points, bolster the detect and seize capabilities of the coast guard and equipe border patrol with drones.
The same goes for illegal migrants. For every one that sneaks in where a wall that can be dug under or climbed over with ropes and ladders, according to Homeland security 5.5 come in via legal entry points. The last thing they want besides those already noted in the Dem plan is the major increase in border judges because that would greatly reduce the numbers released because a lack of a speedy hearing as required by the Constitution.
If you want to increase security at the border then do something that can actually increase the security not build an expensive, useless monument.

 

"Coverage" as in?

"Controlling immigration." Isn't that what the wall is part of?

It is almost EXCLUSIVELY because "Orange Man Bad!" And its PATHETIC!

 

Yeah, but like I said, what if it wasn't slats? No edge in that case, right?

 

No, but don't you owe it to yourself to know that you are competent at defending your positions?

 

Basic military stuff?
When facing an army do you devote your main forces to your wings or where the enemy's main attack force is? Do you know that the Coast guard budget for drug intervention is reduced by $67 million in 2019 under Trump's proposed budget? How smart is that?

 

Actually wasting money in an ineffective wall is bad. Orange man bad by extension.