Will the statements of the Pope make a difference?

https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2022-05/pope-letter-fr-martin-lgtb-outreach-questions.html

Regarding LGBTQ Pope Francis says:
"The church is a mother and calls together all her children. Take for example the parable of those invited to the feast: “the just, the sinners, the rich and the poor, etc.” [Matthew 22:1-15; Luke 14:15-24].

A “selective” church, one of “pure blood,” is not Holy Mother Church, but rather a sect."

Surely our schools can be as open as a Catholic church.

 

I think you're grossly misunderstanding the Pope's words. Yes, the Catholic church is chock full of sinners of all types. 100% of the church is sinners. And yes, as a Catholic we are called to be kind and respectful to all sinners including LGBTQ and all the vast variety of sexual preferences in the world (adultery, beastiality, you name it).

But the actual act of sexual union is plainly and solely restricted to married heterosexuals. No, drag shows for kiddies (or drag shows in general), porn, adultery, and all varieties of LGBTQ sex are sins and need to be avoided and repented for. They're all sins and need to be refrained from in order to maintain a right relation with God. Pope Francis has never said otherwise.

And as for promoting surgery to "change" children's gender (a physical impossibility), those pushing that fully deserve eternal damnation.

 

He drew a strong line between "illegal" and "sin".

We don't make laws on the basis of what a religion declares to be sinful - and the Pope points that out.

You are trying to muddy that line.

And, NO surgery is intended to change anybody's gender. That's just a flat out misunderstanding.

 

Should be no problem allow LGBTQ EIEIO students into to schools to learn the basic topics that parents agree with and approve. Schools/teachers that go behind parents backs to forward agendas need to find alternate employment.

 

The agenda of teachers is to keep kids safe and working toward developing their ability to improve understanding of a wide range of topics.

 

I KNOW that their "agenda" is, that's the point - most of it is none of their damn business. Particularly when they make efforts to hide it from the parents. Our kids are lagging in math, science, language and literature, but they're the best in the world at putting condoms on cucumbers, making up "pronouns" and explaining why every bad thing that happens to them io everys white people's fault; unless they happen to BE WHITE in which case they run around apologizing to everyone who isn't.

 

There is no move to "hide" from parents. And, the DeSantis move is to block teachers from helping to address one of the more serious problems that occurs in a school environment.

Your racism has previously been noted.

Please state the agenda that you claim to know and object to.

 

I never said "illegal". The Catholic church doesn't make law. That's up to various governments.

However it is still a sin. Do with that what you will. We Catholics also believe that whenever anyone dies, they immediately get a personal audience with God where they can speak for what they have or haven't done and be judged accordingly. And that's only between you and your Maker. So you are free (as in free will) to handle it as you may.

And you can spew all the nonsense you want about what you think of gender bending in our society, but I live just down the road from Loudoun county (look it up if you have to).and I know all about what's going on in schools these days.

 

There damn sure IS.

 

I think you missed the point the Pope made about not declaring sins to be crimes.

 

I think you missed the entire point.

 

The point was about the church being a place of welcome for all those who sin or don't sin, and that it includes respecting the dignity of those among us who are gender dysphoric.

And, that there is a big difference between sin and crime.

 

Correct. And the church respects the sinner and condemns the sin itself. All sin. Which are actions against God. Not simply being different.

It really isn't that hard. God also respects straight, white, heterosexual men. However, He condemns those same men having sex outside of marriage. Any sex outside of marriage. That's a sin.

 

That is not the message the Pope gave.

He said a church isn't really a church if all sinners aren't welcomed and treated with love and respect.

You still seem to be wound up with turning sins into crime - and the Pope warned AGAINST that. The Pope warns against your attitude.

 

I've done no such thing. I agree entirely with the Pope. But I'm also Catholic and understand the difference between sin and sinner.

Hint: it's not just spelling.

 

Yes, sin vs. sinner.

But, he also pointed out that sin isn't a basis for law.

 

Again, the Pope has nothing to do with law. However, you're clearly reading that wrong. Sin, indirectly, is the basis for much of law. How many of the Ten Commandments are exactly the basis for law? Murder, theft, etc are certainly the basis for much of the global- Christian or not- law.

Jesus also said, "Render unto Ceasar that which is Ceasars." But that doesn't mean that Ceasar can't reference biblical principles in the laws he enacts.

 

There are 1.3 billion followers, so yes, his comments make a difference, and clearly the US going after the LGBT has not gone unnoticed around the globe.

Ok, but his statement didn't really have anything to do with that, its just something YOU want to point out

 

Yes, it is something that needs pointing out. What the Pope said was originally taken as a broad acceptance of the culture of "if it feels good, do it" and it is not in any way an endorsement of that.

It is my moral duty to God to point that out. And whether you like it or not is irrelevant. Truth often hurts.

 

His words are pretty plain, so I doubt it was taken that way.

Why should your habit of pointing out sins in others hurt me. God will judge me, not you.

 

I can live with that.

 

The Pope drew a line between sin an illegality.

If you mean that there are various foundations of philosophy and governance along with social experience that lead to laws being made, I agree.

You should not use the 10c in your argument.

There are at least 8 versions of the 10c.

The Catholic version has the first 3 being strictly religious. The 4th is about honoring your parents.

Then, there are the two about lying and stealing. Killing and stealing would be addressed by any society. Claiming that for the Bible is ridiculous.

Then comes adultery. There is no law against adultery.

Then there are the two about coveting and slaves. We do not try to detect coveting and we REJECT the Bible on slavery.

 

Where specifically did illegality come up? I certainly have said nothing about anything being illegal. But there are certainly acts that are sinful. And engaging in them is a sin, illegal or not.

But again, that's something we will all have to contend with in the end. We're all free to do that as we see fit.

What's so difficult for you to understand?

 

Law has a history that goes to ancient times throughout the world. If you think your first sentence means something, you need to explain.

Your version of religion undoubtedly has lists of what is sinful. But, that is for you. And, the Pope confirmed that.

I'm not arguing with your views on sin. I don't even know what it is that you think is sinful. I trust that you will abide by your view of what is sinful.

The problem comes when government is used to weaponize religious beliefs against others.

 

And where exactly is that happening in the United States?