Will you Please Wear A Mask Now

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  1. CenterField

    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As promised in post #191 here is the reference to the large meta-analysis showing that masks protect the wearer too, both respirators and surgical masks, both in community setting and healthcare setting, all studies done with coronaviruses; to different degrees they always decrease the relative risk of catching the infection for the wearer, any RR less than 1.0 is a reduction in risk. Studies marked 0 are with respirators, and marked 1 with surgical masks.

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    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31142-9/full text

    Here is the page from the CDC from where you can get the higher grade certified masks (after some significant and patient browsing around):

    https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npptl/topics/respirators/disp_part/N95list1sect3.html

    And here is how to enhance the seal with the three rubber bands technique (get rubber bands #31 for the center piece and #33 or a bit larger for the ear loops)



    Here is how to make the neoprene sheet brace (buy neoprene sheets #40A 1/32" thick), download the template for free at open-source, not-for-profit site fixthemask.com (I have nothing to do with this site; just found it helpful and used the techniques myself, and I'm pleased with the results).



    I hope the above is helpful to whoever wants to go a bit of an extra mile for more protection. Cheers.
     
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    The recommendation to avoid this, is to set aside 7 paper bags, mark them Sunday through Saturday on the outside. Purchase or make 7 masks. Wear one each day. Carefully remove it and store it at the end of the day when you get home, in your paper bag and wash your hands after you do that. Keep that mask untouched for 7 days and when it's time to wear it again the virus is gone, at which point it is 100% safe to manipulate it, touch it, wash it, etc. Also do notice that soap and water kill the fat-coated SARS-CoV-2 very easily and rapidly, so you might just get home and wash your mask with soap and water, daily. The paperbag technique applies more to masks you intend to reuse but are not very washable (like ASTM surgical masks), while cloth masks can be simply washed daily with soap and water. But if you want to be absolutely sure, avoiding too much manipulation of a potentially contaminated mask, use the paper bag technique on those, too, and wash several days later. I do understand that some masks you'd conserve like this are supposed to be for single use and the technique therefore is not ideal, but in this time of shortage, reusing this way is acceptable as long as the mask is not torn or grossly soiled.
     
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    This is all correct except that the safest recommendation is to allow the mask to rest for 7 days to be 100% certain that the viruses have died out, according to a Lancet paper that found live virus in masks up to seven days later.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/how-long-covid19-can-last-on-face-masks-research-study-2020-4

    This is the Lancet study:

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5247(20)30003-3/fulltext
     
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    I've completely missed that bit of guidance/nonsense. Who told you to do that?
     
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    I didn’t have anyone tell me to do that. I’m a free thinker, not a blind follower. It makes sense to battle one condition at a time. Dealing with Covid and long term complications at the same time is a war you won’t win. Researching other areas in the state to hike, it gives the same gambit about masks on the same page as the open space you’re thinking of driving down to hike. And I’ve seen people wearing masks in their cars.

    You want to feel bad for the paranoid, you really do but then one realizes that same paranoid person wearing the mask in the car was the type of person pushing for these nonsensical mandates in the first place.
     
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    You made a claim. I asked for a source.

    Thanks for admitting you completely made it up.
     
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    You can’t make this stuff up if you tried. Yes, people have been seen in their cars w/ masks and go to any city website (most open space location information is on a cities website) and you will see the same spiel about masks and distancing.

    It’s not made up, one is not capable of imagining such stupidity.
     
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    He’s actually right, because the infection can nest itself on your hands then making contact with your face.

    The reality really is masks or no masks, COVID will spread. We might as well voluntarily get infected to build immunity to it, at this point that seems like the only productive thing to do moving forward.
     
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    Sigh. You said, "Telling people to wear masks while hiking"

    Who told you to wear a mask while hiking? Who? Or is that just random BS you pulled out of your butt to make some insignificant point?
     
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    Not worth the risk. This thing is so much nastier than a flu

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    Millions of people have recovered from Covid. And these medical professionals aren’t doing anything but telling us what isn’t working, and insisting on continuing to control and destroy people’s lives through I.e. a lockdown, or try suggesting it. 150,000 people have died in the US, but 2 million have recovered but you never hear Fauci speak about the recoveries., only what isn’t working. People need to know Fauci is part of the problem like Trump is, not the answer.

    Again, a case of COVID is not a death sentence. It is not comparable to say cancer, where contracting the disease is most likely fatal. The recoveries suggest a much higher probability of recovery than death for anyone who contracts COVID.
     
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    ?? Huh? Not really, no.

    And, I can't catch cancer by chatting with someone who has cancer.

    Have you even BOTHERED to look at all the lifelong conditions people are getting from COVID that aren't death?
     
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    The city government. For anonymity purposes, I’m not going to release the exact city government where I read the BS.

    Simply because a link isn’t attached does not mean it is made up.
     
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    Masks are required as a statement of total submission to totalitarian government, nothing else.

    95% of the time Dr. Fauci is within 6 feet of others he has not worn a mask and always has a huge grin for not doing so. He's laughing at people who do.

    Cheap and homemade masks spread viruses and bacteria, and hurt (or kill) the person wearing it.
     
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    Many elderly want the shut down to go on forever so they keep getting free money for nothing at the expense of everyone else. They don't give a damn what happens to children or families. Everyone else can be homeless, broke, starving, they don't care. They just want more free money and don't care how many tens of millions of lives they destroy to get it.
     
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    I’ve heard of the lifelong conditions people get lost-COVID. I know someone who had it that is doing just fine, she’s in her 60s, gardening and running errands. That’s not to dismiss the fact she might have a lifelong complication, rather it suggests the severity of a lifelong complication will vary person to person. It could be crippling, or it could be mild and treated with medication.

    Look, the numbers don’t lie. According to Wprld-O-Meter wheee I keep up with the stats, after two spikes of COVID now, the death count in the entire country is still under 200,000. And the recoveries keep snowballing. That tells me we are not as helpless to this virus as initially thought. It’s reason why it would be safe to open the schools.
     
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    Masks do not protect anyone from a virus. Masks do not stop nor prevent one from contracting a virus.

    The standard disposable mask (not rated for medical use) that you see many people wearing around is rated for particles of ~3,000 nanometers in size, while the diameter of COVID-19 is ~100 nanometers. The cloth masks that you see many others wearing are even worse.

    Masks do not work.
     
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    Your degree in infectious diseases is from where?

    Friction is what makes the masks useful. They certainly don't prevent the virus from getting through the mask. They simply shorten the distance in which the droplets coming from your mouth can travel.

    It's about friction.

    Some of you were really sleeping or getting high that day in HS physics.
     
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    This is what we should have done, as we have done for other viruses in the past... Just continue living life like normal, let it spread and make its rounds, and then be done with it...
     
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    Absolutely right... I see people wearing masks while driving pretty much every day on my work commute... It's sad seeing all the reprobate minds...
     
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    Plenty of people wear masks while hiking... Why? Because they are hypochondriacs due to the fear mongering of the mainstream media...
     
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    Cool. You know one person who didn't get a lifelong condition. That's all the world needed to know. Thanks.
     
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    Or, they are just idiots who can't view all the information and make good choices.

    People wearing masks while driving alone are as clueless and people not wearing them at all.

    Now, I had to drive a friend who works in the medical community home one day. We both wore masks. For good reason.
     
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    She could have something, I don’t know. Didn’t ask, she did disclose being tested positive for COVID. Has a lingering cough that flares up from time to time she blames allergies on.
     

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