Without God...

you can mock monogamy, and marriage all you want, but without it, that is why so many people are so immoral, by cheating, and doing other things, that
will ultimately lead to emptiness in ones own life.

I know this personally, because I've gone down many empty paths of self destruction, and drugs, and sexual addiction in my past.
It's not something I'm proud of, but I can say, that I've never cheated within a relationship, which I am proud to say.

Even after, at two separate times, 2 women have tried seducing me. Them both knowing that I was in a relationship at the time. I still said no, and got out of the situations.

Owe, also, not to many guys can say this either. I've been in 3 serious relationships. 2 for around two and a half years, and one for a little over 3 years.

In two out of the 3, my gf back then, came to me, and offered me a 3sum with another woman, saying, hunny, I want to make your fantasies come true, and want to share you with another woman. I said no. They looked at me and said, but this is your fantasy. I looked back and said, some things are meant to stay just that, for a reason. Because crossing that line between fantasy and reality is the difference in life, between having morality, and not. If a person is single, and wishes to do that, that is up to them, and is not cheating. but if a person has a 3 sum whilst in a relationship, it no longer is MONOGAMY!!!

I said I was with them for a reason, and if I wanted to be with someone else, or date someone else, or have sex with someone else, I would be, and I would be single also, if I wanted those things. I've already had a 3 sum when I was single. back in the day.

I can't change my promiscuous past, all I can do, is ask God to forgive me, and humble myself in front of him everyday. I'm far from perfect and fall short on many days, but do try.

Democrat Politicians with their sexual revolution, as well as other addictions, and other things in life pretend to offer answers, that will fill a persons heart with things like Love. But they're nothing but false promises, that will lead to emptiness. The Love of God, is one of the only things that can fill the heart, and make it whole.

 

I think that at the core of it, everyone knows that the true law is to do what you will. There is no law beyond that.

I wasn’t mocking your faith. I was merely pointing out that even in marriage there are sinful sexual acts, by Christian standards.

 

Love or Hate?

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke 14:26-27&version=KJV

"
26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
"

 

If it is self evident to say that without man, manmade things, including their offspring, wouldn't exist. Then how far of a stretch would it be to say that without God, nothing would exist, including man. There is a type in this. After all, all things in nature bring forth seeds after their own kind. Then why not God to man as offspring/creation. The things men make testify of their maker. And all throughout history, men have testified of mans creator, who is God. Even America's own founding document in declaration of our independence, states that it is self evident that there is one God from whom we all spring, who is the source of our divine rights and equality. So this is not a new or foreign concept. But is central to the birth of our nation.

 

You say that it will ultimately lead to emptiness in one's own life and you know this because it happened to you.

You know I once ate liver and onions....hated it, it was awful...but guess what, there are others that love it.

It's the same with anything else in life, some people (maybe even most people) are going to find something distasteful and not to their liking...but there will be others who think it is the best thing ever. You cannot make blanket statements about everyone. All you can do is say what works for you.

I have absolutely no belief in a God...yet my life is full, I am happily married, have wonderful family and friends. These things make my heart whole and I have no need for your (or any) God to fill my heart.

 

always the with you people, arguing, exception, rather than the rule.

 

That's because we are ALL exceptions...there is no "rule" when dealing with individuals.

What is your favorite color? Should we paint everything that color because you like it? Is the rule that everyone likes the color you like?

This is the problem with religion....adherents are so stuck on pleasing God that they ignore pleasing themselves or those around them.

 

Really? Care to point out where the DOI says there is "one God"?

 

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." DOI

 

None of that is self-evident, especially considering that the people who wrote that created a system in which only white men had rights
I give that statement a c-.

 

People are deprived of those rights all the time so to say they are unalienable is innacurate.

 

To our founders it was self evident. They established an eternal principle to which, over time, people learned to comport themselves in regards to its inclusiveness. It began as independence from the dictates of royalty and state religion. It is sort of like the gospel of repentance and salvation. It takes time to realize the extent of ones sinfulness, and to grow in truth. You don't just start out perfect. Nothing does. It is a process. But the concept of equality is golden. Heck, people break our good laws all the time. But it takes nothing away from the rightness of the laws.

 

Yes, endowed by THEIR Creator. Not THE Creator, Not even OUR Creator.
This line was not an attempt to say where rights come from bit where they DONT come from.

 

That doesn’t really address my point and yeah, it says unalienable rights come from their creator. It’s like he is pretending that rights aren’t granted by governments.

 

Rights are NOT granted by governments. Yes, government can suppress your rights. But you have them before that happens.

 

Seeing God in all things – Women Who Walk By Faith

 

The earth is the Lord’s, and all it contains, The world, and those who dwell in it. For He has founded it upon the seas, And established it upon the rivers (Psalm 24:1-2).

 

lol

 

What good is the right to the pursuit of happiness to someone who lived and died in the chains of slavery? Owning human beings was part of the system created by the framers of that document and for the slaves who lived and died in slavery there was no right to freedom or the pursuit of happiness.
The right to be a human being under the law was not theirs until an amendment to the constitution made it so.

 

It is the protection of rights that is granted by government, isn't it?

If you have no protection for some right you thought you had, anyone can take it from you without recourse.

 

We’re going to have to agree to disagree on this one. Your premise is predicated on the idea that there is a magic sky fairy who grants rights but does nothing to actually protect them, promote them or articulate them which is the same as saying he doesn’t grant rights in my opinion.

 

"Your life is its own purpose" Ayn Rand

 

A human being is born with the right to be free. It takes the actions of others to deny that right. This is what I mean when I say government does not grant you rights but it sure as hell can suppress them.

There is an old joke/riddle. Before Mt. Everest was discovered what was the tallest mountain in the world?

It was still Mt. Everest, the fact that hadn't been discovered doesn't change that.

You have the right to be free, the fact that the government is suppressing that right doesn't change the fact that you have it.

 

I don't believe in a God..so I sure as hell don't believe that our rights come from a god.

Our rights come from our humanity. They are not granted, they are yours by the virtue that you exist. The DOI clearly states that the main purpose of government (and some would argue the ONLY purpose of a government) is to secure those rights. To protect you from those that would violate them.