Worried Trump could 'go rogue,' Milley took top-secret action to protect nuclear weapons

I don't give a crap nor does the U.S. Constitution on who "shares his concerns". If the Cabinet is the only group that matters and they did not. Also, Milley cannot inform the Chinese of our strategy like that. It's against the U.S.A. - It's Treason.

Watching Leftists support this real Insurrection and Treason and get all butthurt over the joke that was January 6, tells us all how dishonest they are.

 

It indicates a total reset in what we believe a government should be. Precedent was set and next time a military leader undermines a President it may be a President they choose. If this has happened in the past it was recognized for what it was. All scenarios I have seen, Hollywood stories, have assumed it will be the political Right that enacts and supports a coup. Not this time and it was for real.

 

Correct. The Left has now put the military over elected leaders. It was Treason and Insurrection... until now, with the Democrats in power.

 

It's treason and insurrection now as well.

 

You would think? But, that bastard is still maintaining power and his rank. It's absolutely dangerous and unconstitutional.

 

the worst part is it is not universally recognized for what it is. A minor violation is like a little bit pregnant.

 

Yeah. In a real world, where the U.S. Constitution mattered, he would be arrested already and waiting for his Court Marshall in Leavenworth. Instead, he is running the military for China Joe.

 

You have the right to believe what you want.

Considering his business is in trouble, I don't know if his meetings with his banker are all that pleasant but the important thing is that his base is gullible enough to support him even today.

This is indeed mismanagement by the Biden administration.

The good news is that international politics has little effect on a President's chances of re-election.

You'll have to find something else in three years.

If there is a resurgence of the virus, it is largely because a large proportion of conservatives refuse to be vaccinated.

What ?

Problems related to immigration rank 9th in national issues.

In other words, only Trumpists make it a priority.

So who cares?

Not true.

Inflation is easing slightly from 5.5% to 5.4% for August.

It will average 4% for 2021.

A normal rate considering a GDP growth of 6.4%/year.

No.

The US is almost fully employed at 5.2% unemployment.

It was 6.3% in January. The forecast is 4% by the end of December.

 

Id say conspiracy to commit treason. Trump never attacked anyone or gave any orders to launch nukes, so Milley never had the opportunity to follow through.

 

He already did, he took over the policy decisions dealing with China.

 

No...the War Powers Act restricts the President to "emergency powers"to initiate an attack ONLY in a response to an attack by others.

 

Lol very typical of you. Make up numbers and spout unsupported opinions as fact, get called out and more opinions and unsubstantial facts. The merry go round argument, love it and understand why your a liberal.

 

To simply call Trump a common private citizen is way off base and completely naive. . He is not simply a common private citizen not by a long shot. He is an ex-President with millions of followers who believe the 2020 election was fixed. You're lack of accuracy on this point is alarming. He claims he is the truly elected President and millions believe him. All though you seem perfectly content with this we cannot have two presidents in the country at the same time. He stokes the fires of divisiveness, anger and dilutes our democratic way of life. It's frightening that you can't figure this out and forces me to question your overall point of view on this entire subject.

The problem is that not all solutions to a problem reside in the constitution or a rule book. You haven’t figured this out yet. This takes some maturity. When you see a problem that falls outside of the normal parameters you become rigid and unmovable. General Milley hasn't been charged with anything yet. He may wind up being a hero but you would be the last to know. . Your rigid belief that Trump (who claims to be our true legitimate president even now is sick and deluded.) He didn't become that way suddenly. Many generals and White House staff who were forced to leave or left of their own volition as cabinet members or agency heads left under a cloud. Several have questioned Trump's competence or even his sanity. Those who believe in a death grip kind of rigidity about how officials should conduct themselves in all situations including those situations that fall outside the lines of what is normal and usual are doomed for failure and disaster. But untill Milley is judged in some form of trial the alarmist attitude is premature and self defeating. .

 

Just how is it you propose to know that? Were you there? Do you know Milley personally? Because unless you do, you know nothing more about the actual facts in this case than anyone else does, and all we know now is that a book is claiming that GEN Milley took certain proactive steps to circumvent the President's authority, which is outside the authority granted to him by the Constitution, the UCMJ, or any civil authority.

I find it interesting that this is essentially the first time you've even attempted to defend Milley by intimating the allegations against him are simply not true. Up until now, you have essentially been saying "I don't care if it was Treason, the ends justify the means".

But I'm about to bail from this thread entirely as it's become nothing more than crazy town Trump Derangement Syndrome on steroids.

Whether you like it or not, whether you believe it or not, if Milley did what Woodward has accused him of doing, regardless of whether his intentions were good or not, he committed Treason. I do not think the existing power structure will ever allow it to be properly investigated, so the chances of an actual Courts Martial are virtually nil, but that doesn't change the issues under law that I've repeatedly raised. And I'm less concerned with the fact that it happened to be Trump who was President at the time, than I am about the precedent of allowing a CJCOS to get away with Treason by proactively circumventing the Constitutional and legal ways of getting things done.

But you and your pals are so overly concerned about the now disproven idea that Trump might have proactively launched a nukes at China that you're willing to overlook the legal fact that his alleged actions are Treason, and instead pin a medal on his chest. I've said it several times now, but at the very least you could be intellectually honest and say that you truly don't care if it was treason or not rather than trying to pretend that he somehow had the authority to do what he allegedly did.

To not care about a Treasonous act being dealt with properly is demented, but it is your right.

But I just can't with this thread anymore, it started out as seemingly serious discussion as to what Milley may or may not have done and has turned into "trump this, trump that, trump the other". The man is no longer the President, and has nothing more to say about the governance of the US than does any participant in this thread, so whether or not he is currently crazy is of no concern.

But you guys don't care.

 

Because I have read about it and the legality of Milley's actions have been explained to you dozens of times, not only by me but by others as well.

You don't understand why Milley is still free?

Well, go on.

I thank you for giving me the right.

 

Were you a US resident through the 4 years after Trump stole poor Hillary's election? and she got the most votes too.

Just a reminder that Trump's claim is nothing new.

 

The War Powers Act of 1973, Section 2 (c): "The constitutional powers of the President as Commander-in-Chief to introduce United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated vt the circumstances, are exercised only pursuant to (1) a declaration of war, (2) specific statutory authorization, or (3) a national emergency created by an attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces."

Those are the three legal means by which we may go to war. The first is a Congressional declaration of war, as specified in the U.S. Constitution. The second is a statutory Congressional Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of Force (such as the AUF following 9/11 against terrorist groups). The third is a defensive attack following an attack on the U.S., its territories or possessions, or its armed forces.

There is NO Presidential authority to initiate an attack on any basis other than those three situations. To do so would be an "illegal order" that should not be followed and could not be followed legally.

 

I don't remember Clinton ever claiming that Trump was elected illegitimately. She accepted the electoral college result, which allowed his election with a minority of the popular vote.

 

You are correct. But the only thing SECSTATE is "testifying" to is that the order is coming from the actual POTUS, not that he or she (necessarily) agrees with it being issued.

 

This has absolute zero to what I'm stating off the mark by miles.

 

I don't agree with your assessment of the law, but for the sake of discussion, let's assume you are in fact right. In that case, it renders Milleys actions COMPLETELY unnecessary (in addition to being Treasonous) because whomever the launch order is issued to when the football is used (and I suspect whoever that is is classified above top secret, and only Presidents, ex-Presidents, and some very high ranking military officials actually know how it works) not only would have the right, but the obligation to refuse that order.

 

That is purly your limitation not the threads and in fact you seek to limit the argument to only that which fits your beliefs about Trump all others should be disgarded. I don't think you grasp the purpose of the forum. Also resorting to calling others who disagree with you "crazy town' is a violation of the rules of the board. Calling those who disagree with you "crazy town" says more about you then them.

Once again Milley has not been legally judged and your impatience for that does not make you a good debater

You are no more intellectually honest than anyone else.

Once again you see to limit the debate to perameters that fit your purpose onl.y
You are misdirected if you think this forum is about winning or losing. You do not seem to care about the legal process and by the way leaving the debate prematurely also says much about you.

 

And yet all the media is doing is keeping Trump's name out there. During Trump's campaign he didn't have to spend millions of dollars to get his message out there because the media did it for him. Sure they thought Trump would shoot himself in the foot with the things he was saying but they were wrong. And you say Trump remains by far the greatest peril in this nation and I say it is the media that is the greatest peril to this nation. They need to shut up when it comes to Trump. Let him fade away. But Trump is news worthy so they just can't resist.

 

In your humble opinion of course because not everyone shares your opinion.

 

There is one major difference between the Trump of 2016 and the Trump of 2021:THE RECORD

The four Trump years were a disaster, and since 1/6, there is no ex-POTUS who inspires more fear among Democrats and moderate independents.

Trump is now a formidable machine for getting out the liberal vote.

And don't forget that Trump has undermined his base's confidence in the electoral system.

Millions of Republicans believe the election is rigged and doubt that it's worth voting anymore.

To reinvigorate the MAGA, Trump needs to contradict himself on his Big Lie.

And he never will.