WWE wrestler "smacked down" with heart attack after vaccine

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  1. DentalFloss

    DentalFloss Well-Known Member

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    So, a 52 year old, 255 lb. man who has an extremely stressful job, and has been abusing his body (including his heart) since 1990, has a "cardiac event" (whatever the f that means), and you automatically jump to it being caused by a vaccine he got 5 months ago? That makes no sense. Does he have any family history of heart issues? Any personal history? Has he had any recent stress tests or other diagnostic procedures done?

    Let me tell you something, I too am a 52 year old man, and I'm disabled and have no idea what I weigh. But I was once very overweight, but due to my disability, when I came out of the hospital for my 3rd or 4th bout with sepsis on April 3rd of 2020, I looked like a concentration camp victim. I wouldn't be surprised if I was 170 lbs, or maybe even less. I have since put a lot of that weight back on, and wouldn't be surprised to learn I'm a good 210-220 right now, but unfortunately getting weighed is difficult when you cannot even stand, so a guess is all I've got.

    Still, even though I was "only" in my late 40s when I had the original surgery that ultimately led to my disability, I had more than a few heart tests done before they'd allow me to go under the knife. And since that time, considering my physical activity is practically nil, and the average couch potato looks like an Olympic athlete compared to me, both myself and my doctor are somewhat concerned about heart risks, to the point that I'll be having a chemical stress test done soon. Despite what you think, heart issues really start in people's late 40s, even for healthy people. I also have a family history of it, and I'm at "that age" that I'd probably be getting one even if I weren't disabled, just to make sure.

    Now, what if that test says I need some stents, despite having no outward symptoms? If I need them, and don't get them NOW, and then have a "cardiac event", even though I am also roughly 5 months post-covid vaccine, are you going to blame any issues I have on the vaccine, too?

    Very, very weak attempt to imply causation here. It's not impossible, I suppose, but the list of things that are much, much more likely is extremely long. Try getting through all of those before throwing baseless accusations out there as if they were an indisputable fact.
     
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    Matthewthf Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That was a pathetic attempt at a argument.
     
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    Matthewthf Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Such a weak argument. Is that really all you can come up with?

    All you did was list multiple people who had heart attacks while proving nothing.
     
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    Matthewthf Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Maybe if they spent several years getting the vaccine right like they did with polio maybe I would trust it more.

    They rushed these vaccines out without FDA approval and people are dying.

    It's not hard to understand why I won't take it.

    Edit: I know Trump helped rush them out with operation warp speed. I still don't trust them.
     
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    they spent almost a decade working on this vaccine
     
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    Matthewthf Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Almost 10 years? That is the first I have heard of that.

    For the record I don't know if the OP is correct. Heart attacks can happen for a number of reasons.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    they have been working on the technology behind it for a long time
     
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    Yep. You are pretty quick there! You got the point! The difference between my posts and the op was that I came up with 8 times the amount of evidence that the OP did, and every single of them had a shorter time frame than 5 months between going to church and that heart attack.
     
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    I don't know if the OP is correct. Heart attacks can happen for a number of reasons. My uncle found out from his doctor this week he had a slight heart attack last week and he never even knew it.

    I still won't take the vaccine. People are dying from taking them and it is possible the OP is correct.
     
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    I don't know if people are dying from the vaccine or not, at least in any statistically meaningful way. But I do know that people who don't get it, and then come down with the 'rona are the ones filling up our hospitals and ERs. My wife's hospital recently hit an all time high of covid inpatients, and 94% of them were unvaccinated. And when those people die, it's an awful painful way to go, and then their relatives are on the news pleading with everybody to get vaccinated and not to be like their brother/sister/mother/father/whomever who just died because they were stubborn and refused to take potentially life saving meds due to idiotic conspiracy theories.
     
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    Maybe. How old is he? Was in in good condition? Did he have any other risk factors? Young, healthy people don't normally go into cardiac arrest. But you're too blind to even ask the questions that might lead you to truth. I'm not surprised.
     
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    Think highly of yourself, eh? lol
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He had just turned 52 years old in July. It is a little young to be having a heart attack, but not unheard of.

    Obviously he keeps his body in good condition. If you've seen any pictures, the guy is built.
    260 pounds but most of that is muscle. His body fat percentage is definitely under 20%.
     
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    No, I think the OP was one of the more pathetic efforts in this place. a 14 year old could have done the same, by claiming the electric current in laptops causes heart attacks. I mean really, did you read it?
     
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    Are you trying to imply the vaccine gave him a heart attack 5 months after he got it?

    Really?

    Could it have been from steroids?
     
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    It proved as much as the OP did.
     
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    Steroid use is prevalent in the professional wrestling profession.
     
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    Their IS certainly motive to not follow long term reactions...ok, there are at least TWO motives.....Primarily money

    .2 Lots of things can and do happen to larges groups of people over say the next ten months, much less, one...two years. Gotta see a very clear commonality of elevated events VS the non vaxed.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How many studies are actually being done trying to look at this?

    I'd wager, in many cases, studies are intentionally not being done because they know they would probably find something that would not look good. They are afraid that would scare people away from taking the vaccines, which they are convinced would be "disastrous".

    In many academic medical research circles, conducting a study that looks at the possible negatives of the vaccine is like "heresy".
    Good luck getting the grant money, and worrying about your prospects of future promotion. There are people actively trying to stand in the way of other people's research.
     
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    He would rather not say, it's too painful.

    Sorry to hear about the wrestler.

    Though we haven't seen it yet thankfully, I suspect similar events will happen in the NFL during this season.
     
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    Look, if you don't wanna get vaxxed, then don't. It's your funeral and I won't care a bit when it arrives. But I think advocating that others avoid it is unnecessarily putting their heath and lives in danger. I'm not the one to say how much such a thing may be protected by the 1A, but it's frankly borderline criminal as far as I'm concerned.
     
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    Pure poppycock!

    Don't you remember Operation Warp Speed?
     
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    you mean the program Trump created AFTER the vaccine was already in trails?

    Phase I–II Trials were started in Germany on 23 April 2020, and in the U.S. on 4 May 2020

    Operation Warp Speed was active from May 15, 2020 – February 24, 2021

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Warp_Speed
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pfizer–BioNTech_COVID-19_vaccine

    almost like Trump created warp speed after he heard the vaccine entered trials to try and steal some credit
     
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    Wikipedia....:roflol:
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    are you saying either of these statements are incorrect?


    "Phase I–II Trials were started in Germany on 23 April 2020, and in the U.S. on 4 May 2020"

    "Operation Warp Speed was active from May 15, 2020 – February 24, 2021"
     

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