Yep the censored, falsely accused conspiracy theorists were right again!!!

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  1. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    Why are your "facts" so old?
     
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    It's long been known that gene therapy, involving gene insertion, can lead to a risk of cancer. Because it's hard to control exactly where in the DNA sequence the gene sequence will be inserted, and sometimes be added into the wrong place can lead to faulty programming messages, the same way that if you add a word into a string of random text, it could result in a garbled message or sometimes change the meaning of the sentence.

    However, it is more surprising and less expected that this "Covid vaccine" is resulting in cancer, since it involves RNA rather than DNA.

    However, RNA and DNA can sometimes transfer back and forth, with one coding for the other. (That is how DNA works in nature. The whole function of DNA is to encode for RNA, which is then used to encode for the assembly of proteins)

    And actually a retrovirus only contains RNA, rather than DNA. There have been some documented cases of retroviruses increasing the risk of cancer, though they are less likely to cause cancer than other normal viruses.
     
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  3. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    The maps I have seen show the DNA attaches between chromosones 9 and 11. One done by McKernan labs and one from a Japanese lab.

    Both found sv40 promoter in both the Phizer and Moderna vials and the latest, not only did some vials contain over 50billion DNA fragments but also double stranded DNA!

    Not sure about Moderna but we know Phizer submitted vials with no SV40 promoter to the regulators, then when they went into production they pulled the switcheroo and again did not report it to the regulators.
     
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    When do we get a reply to the 3 detailed rebuttal posts!

    The only thing "epic" here are the lengths people go to to misinform people and the staggering gullibility of people who suck it up without checking anything!

    Posts misrepresent Health Canada statement on DNA in Covid vaccines (msn.com)
    This is misleading; the public health agency told AFP the posts misrepresent its position, and independent experts say the research does not prove the shots are dangerous.
    The posts build on the debunked narrative that Covid-19 vaccines contain harmful DNA particles that could alter recipients' genetics.

    "The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine does not contain simian virus 40 (SV40)," Health Canada told AFP in an October 27 statement. "The presence of the SV40 promoter enhancer sequence is not the same as the presence of the whole virus itself."

    Health Canada clarifies
    The fragment of SV40 DNA in Pfizer's Covid-19 vaccine helps the "transcription" of mRNA during the production process. Manufacturers use such plasmids because "they are easy to replicate (copy) and reliably contain the target gene sequence," according to NHGRI.

    Michael Imperiale, a virologist at the University of Michigan, put it this way: "To make mRNA, you need DNA."

    Health Canada has pushed back on claims that the fragment is potentially harmful.

    "The SV40 promoter enhancer sequence was found to be a residual DNA fragment in Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine," the agency told AFP. "The fragment is inactive, has no functional role, and was measured to be consistently below the limit required by Health Canada and other international regulators."

    Imperiale confirmed that to AFP on November 1, saying it is "not unexpected that there would be a little bit of DNA" in the shot due to the manufacturing process and that such remnants are "inert" and harmless.

    Some of the posts circulating online falsely conflate the DNA element with SV40 itself to claim Covid-19 shots cause cancer.

    "Any claims that the presence of the SV40 promoter enhancer sequence is linked to an increased risk of cancer are unfounded," Health Canada said. "There is also no evidence to support that the presence of the full SV40 in any vaccine increases the risk of cancer or the acceleration of cancer in individuals."

    Pfizer spokesperson Kit Longley confirmed to AFP in an email October 30 that "specific, non-infectious parts of the SV40 sequence -- which are commonly used in the pharmaceutical industry -- are present in starting material used by Pfizer and BioNTech."

    He added that "small amounts of residual DNA can be found in several approved vaccines," such as influenza and hepatitis shots (archived here and here).

    Flawed research
    The claims stem from what experts say is a flawed paper following up on a similar report from earlier in 2023 -- neither of which is peer-reviewed.

    "The preprint paper cited here has numerous methodological and interpretation issues," said Pakes of the University of Toronto. "I would certainly wait until it was published in a peer-reviewed journal before giving it any credence."

    In an October 21 blog post (archived here), Wayne State University professor David Gorski outlined some of the flaws in the paper, which analyzed the presence of DNA in 27 mRNA vials from Pfizer and Moderna in Ontario, Canada.

    "By the authors' own measurements, the amount of DNA/vial fell below the (US Food and Drug Administration) guidance," he said. "They used a log scale to make the total DNA appear to be much closer to the FDA-recommended limit than it really is."

    For example, Gorski noted the researchers found the vial with the "very highest concentration of DNA" had "less than one-half the maximum DNA amount recommended by the FDA."
     
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    Yeah that's old news, shows a lack of understanding of the difference between a nanolipid vaccine in the standard vaccine where small amount of DNA fragments were reasonably safe on the contrary they are not reasonably safe in a nanolipid doped with sv40 and N1 methyl pseudoidoridine nucleosides.

    Recent tests have shown that vials distributed in Canada some had over 50 billion broken strands of DNA, some were found to have double stranded DNA.

    In non mRNA vaccines the level of DNA is not critical, in mRNA vaccines the level of DNA is extremely critical and has been found to transfect into the human genome between chromosomes 9 and 11 by several Labs internationally.
     
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    No, that's arm-waving. The classic conspiracy theorist method to avoid rebuttal!
    Citation.
    What complete hogwash.
     
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    Because they ARE facts. They have withstood the passage of time, like the sun is the center of our solar system. Remember when "common knowledge" had it that the earth was the center of the universe? That was not a fact, it was a falsehood believed by all. Curious and honest minds recognize that had once been thought a fact turned out to be a falsehood. That's what science is about, isn't it?
     
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    yeh I tend to ignore all those giant bold demands frivolous bullshit claims. Another major blunder couple posts up lmao

    Its well known for over 20 years SV40 is pathogenic. :roflol::roflol::roflol:

    Clin Microbiol Rev. 2004 Jul; 17(3): 495–508.
    doi: 10.1128/CMR.17.3.495-508.2004
    PMCID: PMC452549
    PMID: 15258090
    Emergent Human Pathogen Simian Virus 40 and Its Role in Cancer
    Regis A. Vilchez1,2 and Janet S. Butel2,*
    Author information Copyright and License information PMC Disclaimer


    Abstract
    The polyomavirus simian virus 40 (SV40) is a known oncogenic DNA virus which induces primary brain and bone cancers, malignant mesothelioma, and lymphomas in laboratory animals. Persuasive evidence now indicates that SV40 is causing infections in humans today and represents an emerging pathogen.


    The more death vaxes the more death! The less people jabbed the less death!


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    More irrelevant conspiracy batshit. A report from 2004 no less! It's ludicrous how conspiracy theorists ignore the vast majority of experts and find one that supports their crap.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/no-covid-mrna-vaccines-wont-damage-your-dna1/
    "The way mRNA vaccines are made does result in small amounts of DNA in the final product, Offit says—but that’s true of any vaccine grown in cells, including the measles and chickenpox vaccines. “There are trace quantities” of DNA (billionths to trillionths of a gram) per vaccine dose, “which is utterly and completely harmless for several reasons,” he says.

    To make an mRNA vaccine against COVID, scientists start with circular pieces of DNA called plasmids that contain a gene for the spike protein of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes the disease. The plasmids are amplified into billions of copies inside of bacteria, and chemicals are then added to release them from the bacteria. Enzymes are used to cut the plasmids into linear pieces of DNA that encode the spike protein, and a different enzyme converts that DNA into mRNA. Another enzyme is added to chop any remaining DNA into tiny harmless fragments.

    In order to enter human cell nuclei, any such residual viral DNA would first have to enter the cell’s main compartment, or cytoplasm, which normally keeps foreign DNA out. Next it would have to cross the nuclear membrane; this would be impossible without an access signal, which these fragments don’t have, Offit notes. The residual DNA would also have to integrate into the nuclear DNA, which would require DNA-cutting enzymes that aren’t present in the mRNA vaccine. The chances that mRNA vaccination would in any way affect your DNA “are zero,” Offit says.
     
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    Another blunder LOL

    Thats what sv40 does, canada and phzier admitted it

    tested by hirosi arakawa japan, and confirmed by mckernan us

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    Nope, more histrionics LOL's and LMAO's.
    No, really they didn't. Making up crap is another thing conspiracy theorists excel at.
    Testing the DNA not the tiny trace fragments within some vaccines.
    https://healthfeedback.org/claimrev...ence-covid-19-mrna-vaccines-alter-dna-people/
    "Misleading: While SV40 is known to cause cancer in certain animals like hamsters, epidemiological studies didn’t find an elevated risk of cancer in people who received SV40-contaminated polio vaccine.
    Inadequate support: Neither the preprint by McKernan et al. nor the other studies cited in the article provided evidence for the claim that COVID-19 mRNA vaccines contained significant DNA contamination or that the vaccines can alter DNA in people. The analysis underpinning this claim was performed on vials of unknown origin.

    However, one of the most significant limitations is that the vials tested were of “unknown provenance” and the authors explained that the vials had been sent to them “anonymously in the mail without cold packs” but that the vials were “unopened”. Simply put, whether the vials were actually of COVID-19 mRNA vaccines and the integrity of the contents is questionable. The Epoch Times article simply glossed over this fact, discussing the preprint findings as conclusive evidence of DNA contamination when this is far from certain.

    Michael Imperiale, a professor at the University of Michigan who studies DNA tumor viruses, told Health Feedback in an email that the results are far from establishing that DNA contamination of COVID-19 mRNA vaccines is widespread. “Since this article has not been peer reviewed, we don’t know if there was truly significant DNA contamination,” he explained. [Read Imperiale’s feedback in full here.]

    The Epoch Times also asserted that “Regulatory Agencies Knew There Was a Contamination Problem”, based on a Substack article by the preprint’s first author, and that “Data submitted to the EMA by Pfizer shows sampled lots had anywhere from 1 ng/mg to 815 ng/mg of DNA”.

    It’s important to note that the upper limit of 815 ng DNA/mL RNA came from a lot that had been treated with the incorrect DNase stock, as the footnote on the report clearly showed, resulting in more residual DNA left in the vaccine. This fact however, is glossed over by The Epoch Times.

    Were we to exclude that value, the highest value would be 211 ng DNA/mL RNA, which is within the “commercial acceptance criterion” of the European Medicines Agency (≤330 ng DNA/mg RNA) stated in the report.

    Furthermore, vaccine vials with significant residual DNA levels exceeding that criterion wouldn’t be used for vaccination in the first place. This would also be the case in the U.S., Imperiale pointed out.

    Others also pointed out that since quantifying residual DNA levels is based on a measurement relative to RNA levels, vials that weren’t stored properly are likely to experience significant RNA degradation. In contrast, DNA would be more stable and less likely to degrade. This could produce spurious results as DNA levels could thus be much higher than RNA levels by the time the analysis was conducted."
     
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    Canada doesn't think the vaccines are a problem.
     
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    dna integration into the human genome, confirmed again.

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    naturalnews.com is well-known misinformation site. Here is the reality:

    AP Fact Check
    No evidence that DNA sequence used in Pfizer shot leads to cancer and other health issues

    https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-covid-vaccine-pfizer-sv40-dna-853343189368

    Again, I don't know why this forum allows this misinformation to be posted when it's claimed that misinformation is not permitted here.
     
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    Hmm.... lets see.... your msm editorial versus actual high resolution lab results that I just posted, decisions decisions!

    Thats really a tough one :roflol:
     
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    You posted nonsense from a fake news site, koko. As always.
     
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    Sure condemn the citation in the OP and ignore the lab results that confirm and prove the op is correct. Great debate strategy! You win!
     
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    And as always, ignore, no matter what, every piece of evidence rebutting the batshit. Jump up and down, wave the arms around, add a few LOL's and LMAO's and then spam it around the forum.

    This stupid thread is a duplicate line of argument from 2 other threads where he ignored the replies. I just posted a clear rebuttal showing that one of his "results" analyzed "stuff" sent to him, unverified content. He ignores it.
     
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    Everyone can see that I proved the OP correct and the above complaints have no basis in fact, which means the above claims against the OP are false.
     
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    Hilarious. You really are not the spokesperson for "everyone".
    Evasion and bluster.
    You NEVER respond to rebuttal, you just ignore it. The SV40 issue was raised and responded to many times before you spammed a whole thread on the damn subject! You made two posts more or less duplicating the OP and ignored every reply.

    That's something conspiracy theorists excel at - avoiding anything that proves their batshit wrong.
     
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    You mean Fidel's Little Bastard and the WEF populated Canadian government don't think it's a problem.

    As for the people of Canada, rather like the people of the rest of the world including the US, they know it's a problem. Those not killed by the bioweapons have been maimed for life, and those not maimed now know it doesn't do what it was supposed to do. They know it is neither safe nor effective. They know the shots are dangerous poisons.
     
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    Complete hogwash - totally made up conspiracy batshit.
     
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    No, I mean the medical professional associations, universities, etc.
    Try this for background...

    https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/publications/vaccines-immunization/national-advisory-committee-immunization-guidance-covid-19-vaccines-fall-2024.html

    The long and short of it ... the medical professionals and the public judge the vaccines as safe and protecting them against more serious infection. Older Canadians have the highest vaccination rates.
    Your views are outliers in Canada.
     
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    Funny, I've seen a handful of Canadians, including the brother of Fidel's Little Bastard, express identical views on Tucker, Russell Brand and a few other censored news shows. Outliers all, and those like you who see the bioweapons as safe and effective continue to spread the official narrative. Fauci is proud of you sir, roll on!
     

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