Yes, we can prove that god does not exist.

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  1. FreedomSeeker

    FreedomSeeker Well-Known Member

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    “You can’t prove that god does not exist!” While it’s usually impossible to prove a negative like that – a Christian can’t prove that Bigfoot does not exist - what we can prove is that the god of the BIBLE doesn’t exist, because so many of its claims about the world science has since discovered as patently false:
    1. Evolution: “god” obviously got wrong.
    2. The earth being around 6000 years old (adding up the genealogies) is patently false.
    3. The sun revolving around the earth is a lie.
    4. They lied to us about the flat earth.
    5. Other things as well.

    Ok, this does not mean that we can’t prove that some other “god” doesn’t exist, no, but it does prove that the specific all-knowing god of the BIBLE does not exist. So if you believe, specifically because of the BIBLE, that god exists, then realize we’ve proven that god does not exist.

    But what is your opinion....have we shown that the god of the Bible doesn't exist?
     
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    Oxymoron Well-Known Member

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    2. 6000 years is not in the Bible, it an interpretation by some theologians.
    3.No where in the Bible does it say anything about sun rotating around Earth
    4.No where does it state about flat eart
    5. Other things as well LOLZ

    troll much?
     
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    FreedomSeeker Well-Known Member

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    I'm afraid you are simply wrong about this.
    Can we agree that, since evolution is true, that the god of the Bible is false?
    So the genealogies from Adam to Jesus add up to how many years, my friend? Give us a rough range, in years. If you can't, then I humbly suggest that you've lost the debate.

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    So show us where you can stand in one spot and see all of the earth, like the Bible talks about.
     
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    Much. .
     
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    As usual you didn't answer the question in the OP because it's inconvenient, I'm afraid. So specifically, how does the OP NOT prove that the invisible man in the Bible is not true? Please tell us....otherwise we'll be left to think that you can't do that.

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    Unfortunately, in religion today, truth seems to be the new "trolling".
     
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    3. Not only does the bible say the sun revolves around the Earth, it changes speed in the process!

    The New Living Translation
    Ecclesiastes 1:5
    The sun rises and sets and hurries around to rise again.

    4. Can a round Earth have 2 ends?

    De 13:7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;
     
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    You are wise, very wise.

    Yes, Jesus is becoming the new Zeus (i.e. Jesus is going to be eventually believed, in the future, as much as Zeus is believed now - i.e. he will lose most of his followers.)
     
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    Reading too much into, an out of context line? Yawn

    First of all today we still use the term end of the world, when describing far away places...does that mean we are suggesting Earth is flat? Please get a life.
     
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    We say that because we have been influenced by the Bible! The Bible got it wrong. And if the Bible gets basic stuff about the world wrong then Jesus is not coming back to give you eternal life. Time to realize that we (I'm a former Christian) have been conned by Jesus, and probably mostly by PAUL.
     
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    That the earth was a flat disc was believed from the beginning of history. Most ancient civilisations believed it. The idea of a round earth was broached in 6th century Greece. In many societies the idea did not 'catch on' for centuries.
     
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    Which we got from the bible.

    Well at least you didn't challenge the Sun "hurrying" around the Earth.
     
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    God/Allah/Jesus/Mohammad/Moses fail, yet again.
     
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    Most Christian apologists bring up Isaiah 40:22 which says the Earth is a 'circle.' This is, of course, wrong as the Earth is a sphere. But you couldn't expect primitive, bronze aged, Middle Eastern Jews who wrote the Bible to know that.
     
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    Seriously, I don't remember reading a ton of your posts so far, but on a "per post basis" you're one of the best posters I've ever seen on any religious-related forum I've ever seen. If you quit your job and family to post full-time on this forum I would NOT complain! :)

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    You are wise.
     
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    And so because you want to continue believing in a book which is immoral, unethical, illogical, and unscientific - you consider any logical discreditation of it as "trolling" ?
     
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    Hold on there, slick, because yes, the earth does indeed speed up, because after I leave my local watering hole on Saturday nights, I can definitely attest to that fact. And it then slows down, way way down, the next morning. Perhaps the Bible did get it right.

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    You're on a roll! The Force is strong with this one (well, uh, if the Force was real, but, uh, like "god", it's not.)
     
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    Good point, yes, I admit I'm lazy, as I didn't want to spend an entire week writing down all the places where the Bible is clearly scientifically wrong, and out of compassion I didn't want to crash this web site's server when I uploaded all those things - which by comparison would make War And Peace look about as voluminous as a fortune in a fortune cookie.
     
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    I looked up "trolling" in the dictionary and it said: "inconvenient writings that are hard to refute with logic and reason."

    Or not. :)
     
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    Ha, ha! :)

    Except the bible has it the other way round, the Sun hurries at night.

    Ecclesiastes 1:5
    The sun rises and sets andhurries around to rise again.

    Although the bible does say the Sun can come to a complete stop during the day, so you may be right after all. :)


    Josh 10: 12 Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.
    13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day
     
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    They can't admit the obvious (that the Bible is wrong), because then they won't survive their own deaths. THAT'S what drives them to deny evidence, deny reality, deny the truth. It's the fear that Jesus has put in their hearts. Jesus has, because he has the most followers, taught fear more than any other person in history. That's not a good thing (teaching fear), by the way. We should be judged by how much joy we teach, not by how much fear we teach.
     
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    This may or may not be true, but the Bible never mentions Earth being flat.

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    I challenged both, because you are taking things out of context and adding your own interpretation.
     
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    Hey look, Bub, who are you gonna believe, ME or god!?

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    So please elaborate on exactly WHAT CONTEXT it is in. We await your reply.
     
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    I do not know what you intended to mean with this statement...awaiting a properly written reply.
     
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    How does a bronze age book being unscientific disprove the existence of Yahweh?
     
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    We might disagree on that, but can we at least agree that if, repeat if, hypothetically (we'll never know 100% since we weren't there) the writers of the Bible did believe that the earth was flat that the Bible would be wrong? Again, hypothetically. Can we?

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    It does NOT disprove the existence of OTHER "gods", but it does prove that this particular god, the god of the Bible, is not true.
    Is Nanook not true? I can't prove that Nanook is not true right now, but I can prove that the god of the Bible is not true.
     

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