Yes, we can prove that god does not exist.

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  1. FreedomSeeker

    FreedomSeeker Well-Known Member

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    You said it was not int he proper context (or words to that effect), so what is the proper context, what was it really trying to say if we are so wrong about this? Please tell us.
    I find that people complain my writings are "out of context", but they never say that the PROPER context actually is....i.e. I think they are just putting up smoke screens. But I could be wrong.
     
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    No, it just proves that people taking a collection of bronze age folk stories seriously are idiots. If someone wrote a ridiculous book in my name, it wouldn't disprove my existence.
     
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    If you cared about people would you come down and tell the world that the book got it wrong then?

    So where DO we get our proper, correct, understanding of "god"?
     
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    You could try getting it from the horses mouth as it were.
     
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    You can't prove anything without evidence.
     
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    "God" reveals himself to us every day, and science is how we interpret that. So yes, I do.
     
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    So if the book is irrelevant what are you on about?
     
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    Darn, you're right, there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that evolution is true, or that the earth is round, or that the earth is over 6000 years old, or that the earth revolves around the sun. Darn, my evil atheist intentions have once again been foiled by a follower of Jesus!

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    If the book is wrong, and it is, then Houston we have a problem....since it's the #1 most revered book in history.....and I find that a problem!

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    So with that attitude, you certainly don't believe the Bible is from god, correct?
     
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    But that doesn't disprove Yahweh, just that people taking a collection of bronze age folk stories seriously are idiots.
     
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    I'm just saying you're trying to "prove" something by just saying it. That's not how it works. I don't disagree about the age of the earth, flat earth, revolving around the sun...but you didn't offer up what their (real) argument is and what the proof is that contests it. It's a process and you just cut to your answer with offering all that "proofy" stuff in the middle. Hardly an argument at all if the goal is to prove without doubt that you're correct.

    I'll grant you point 1, even if you offered no proof at all and assumed every religious person agrees (I agree, BTW). I just read that Pope Francis concurs with evolution of man and then threw in that evolution required God. I believe Pope John II made similar claims, both of which go against all the teachings of the church prior that I can recall in all my years. But point 5...others??? How do you disprove "other"?

    Seriously, I'm even trying to play devil's advocate (pun intended) here but you haven't done any homework to provide proof that you claim to have.

    Out of curiosity, how did you tie 6000 year old earth, flat earth and revolving around the sun to the Bible before you failed to disprove it? From my years attending church, I can't recall any of those ever being mentioned or quoted Biblically.
     
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    It proves that the #1 source of information about him is false.
     
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    Most people sleep at night. Most believe morning comes too quick because they want/need more rest(especially in those days). Despite the bible being inspired by God, it was written by men.
     
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    Of course they are not going to promote those things (well, usually not), because those things are so patently obvious as lies!....the Bible lies to its followers - when I realized that I left Jesus.
     
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    By the way OP, evolution is still a theory.
     
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    So it sounds like the best course of action is to not take the Bible literally, you seem to be agreeing with that, not take it at its word....so therefore a magic dead guy coming back to give eternal life shouldn't be taken literally either, correct (to be intellectually consistent) - so you're not going to survive your own death by believing in said dead guy, right?
     
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    No, they call things, like the theory of gravity, "theories", but it's actually true. Evolution is true, the Bible is wrong. So therefore some living-dead carpenter is not coming back to magically let the good people (but not the bad ones, like non-Christian members of my family, apparently) survive their own deaths up in some incredibly bigoted invisible country club in the sky.
    Jesus is a bigot.
     
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    Understood. I just never saw any reference, written or spoken, to anything on those topics at all. Those would be simple to disprove, but I even have a relative who is a priest who has never once made comment even in private on those topics. I figured if those were assumed by the OP as accepted by Christians, I would have heard about it sometime in my life. Or maybe they're believed by those who follow the King James Bible? I was just trying to understand why they were in the OP and tied to Christianity when I grew up Christian and never heard of any of them aside from YouTube, forums and some quacky sites in recent years.
     
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    So god inspired torture, inspired brutal warfare, inspired slavery, inspired the hatred and killing of gays......he sounds like a monster, not someone worthy of my admiration or worship.

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    You need to study evolution, my friend. The more you learn about science, the less religious you'll become. I've been there.
    The brilliant Richard Dawkins (far better than Jesus) shows us how the human eye actually involved (it's wasn't "god"):
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb9_x1wgm7E
     
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    Please understand that the internet will lead to the eventual fall of religion. We are already seeing that - the "nones" (their religion is "none") have doubled in the last 20 years in America -incredible! They did me a disservice, and they are doing you a disservice (intellectually, at least - however the social benefits of a church do seem admirable, I have to say.) You should check out the new atheist churches that are popping up all over.
     
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    I never suggested that the Psalms(poems) were God praising himself. I'm sorry if you are having trouble discerning specific prophesies. Even Jesus spoke in parables. Imo, the bible provides plenty of information about how we are to live and find salvation, without over analyzing every statement or analogy written by men.

    Again, you were not there when the first human came into existence. You cannot prove how came into existence. You can't even prove the earth has existed longer than verifiable written history. Dating methods are not factual science.
     
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    Keep in mind that the show "Walking Dead - Nazareth version", would not be real, just like the regular "Walking Dead" show is obviously not real. They are not different.
     

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    I'm not what you'd call religious now. I just was brought up in it and lived it for most of my life. I have read Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris, and I enjoy the something from nothing speeches given by Lawrence Krauss, debates with Christians and atheists, etc. I see both sides and just wonder from where the OP was derived since 4 of the 5 points are bogus and no proof claimed in the title of the thread was offered.
     
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    I strongly urge you to take plenty of science classes, then you'll start to see how the Bible is dead wrong. You already know that the bible is a terrible role model, morally (you can beat a slave as long as he takes over 48 hours to die (Ex 21:20-21)). Clearly not inspired by a god I'd care to love. And once you understand science more you'll leave Jesus like I did. I still want to love my neighbor, but I don't believe my neighbor should be tortured for eternity like Jesus says just because my neighbor doesn't believe in unscientific things like Jesus believed in.
    Have a great day.
    http://www.evilbible.com/Slavery.htm
     
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    No, the points are all valid. Yes, I did not provide evidence, because any study of the subject will clearly show the OP's claims are correct.

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    And neither was Moses, so can we agree that Moses might have been dead wrong when he talked about "Adam and Eve"?
     
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    Show me where Jesus said people will or should be tortured for eternity.
     

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