You can have one gun for home defense...

Is there anything to indicate they are indeed being utilized correctly? Or are they being used in any instance regardless of the circumstances?

 

Get a grip, Who. Not just on this thread but on whatever bug has crawled up your anal orifice.

FWIW, as I'm typing this I'm watching the funniest episode of the new X-Files, "The Lost Art of Forehead Sweat" broadcast 24JAN. Life is funnier than you think it is, Who. Try to see the fun in it.

 

Niiiiice. Not as good for hog-hunting, but definitely classier.

 

Stop calling me "Who" I actually have a degree, albeit from a foreign uncredited Country.
You and the other poster you formerly were insist, on disrespect.
Please put me on ignore, pretend I am Anti Gun.

 

I already own it. 10.5" suppressed SBR. Basic lower with timney 2 stage trigger. Tuned buffer and spring. Extended charging handle and mag release. Billet upper with key mod and full upper rail.

Onky change I would make is replacing my current PA3.5 to an 4x30 ACOG.

 

Home defense means a close range weapon for me because I live in a suburban neighborhood - not on a ranch or farm.

I'll take a 12 gauge Remington 870. This ...



6-round magazine, Surefire fore-end, two side saddles, single point sling. With one in the chamber and a fully loaded magazine plus the two side saddles, it's carrying 18 rounds of Winchester PDX1 ammo, which is a slug and three 00 Buck pellets.

 

Have you ever used a shotgun with all those doo dads hung on it ?????

I tried every shotgun doo hicky known to man and beast, finally this is what I settled on, Remington 870, no saddles, plain sanded dull wood furniture, 18 - 1/2 inch barrel, 4 shot magazine tube,
Chamber empty internal hammer down safety off.
In actual defensive use, once the shotgun is empty it gets dropped / sling off shoulder, out comes
1911 resume shooting, you can't re-load shotgun magazine tube during a fight.

Ammo, .22 balls with # 7 shot in the spaces.....
Repacked from 00 Buck, high brass, 2 3/4 cartridge length.

 

I have one. So much fun to shoot but amazingly picky with ammo. Wrong ammo and you get those feed issues.

Without the feed issues though, the Vector would be an ideal defense weapon. Easy to shoot accurately and follow on shots are a breeze. Even a novice shooter can use it.

 

an AR carbine with a Miculeck compensator on it doesn't have much muzzle climb at all. I put one on a Daniels Defense rifle and my then 13 year old son-who was slightly built at the time was doing sub .20 double taps with it at 25M and keeping them all in the X ring on a standard B-27 police target

 

I have a rank. You can call me Commander or Sir, Doctor.....or I'll just go back to calling you Who. Your call, Doc.

EDIT: Heck, since I'm also a Lieutenant Colonel in CAP, you can either call me that or just Colonel. Again, your choice to show respect for what others have earned or not.

 

Shotguns are great for home defense. Effective and fairly cheap. Good for limited hunting too. I have a couple, both Mossberg 500s.

 

I will never disrespect you or your rank
Colonel, I salute you electronically,
being of low rank myself...
I also apologize if I offended......

 

I bought a Mossberg 500 with extended magazine, pistol grip 7 round cap ?
Barrel shroud, I liked it, fired mostly low brass loads # 7 shot.......

Cost me $ 135 out the door, in N.Y.C.
Carried it in a non gun nylon case.

 

I am well practiced at handling that shotgun. I've been shooting 870s for close to 40 years. Frankly, it's hard to imagine needing to fire more than one or two rounds in a home defense situation against some unlucky criminal or his partner. One solid hit, and they're done. All that extra ammo is really just to make the gun more suited to a "total breakdown of society" situation in the unlikely event that that should happen. The side saddle on the stock has the ammo positioned on the opposite side of where my cheek goes when it's mounted, so it's not in the way. That sling is elasticized, so I can sling the gun in multiple ways.

This would be my weapon of choice if I have a forewarning of danger. In that case, I'll get it out of the safe and load it. I have made a personal choice not to leave an unsecured gun in my home when I'm not home, and taking it out of the safe and putting it back in the safe every day over and over is not for me. I store it unloaded so as not to leave the magazine spring compressed endlessly. A 9 mm Glock (and two additional loaded magazines) is the emergency weapon that I can access instantly if needed 24/7, and it would be the back-up to the shotgun too.

Still, I like your choice of the "plain Jane" 870. Nothing wrong with that. I haven't heard of a combination .22/#7 shot load, but the nice thing about a shotgun is its versatility and the many loads that are available for it.

No, you can't reload the magazine tube in the shotgun very quickly, but you can load rounds directly into the receiver through the ejection port if you have the extra rounds handy. Then just close the action and the chamber is loaded. With practice, this can happen quite quickly. Or you can just go to the handgun. But I have a feeling that in a home defense situation, by the time you've fired that shotgun empty, that fight is over.

Seth

 

Good guns too. Rugged, versatile. Can deal with people, hunt birds, deer ... Good all-purpose firearm.

 

An excellent choice and, for the economically-minded home-owner who only wants one firearm, a sound choice. My concern is that the loony anti-gun left will take that admission as proof that's all we need to fulfill the Founder's idea of self-defense.

 

Try that load one day, it is devastating on a home invader.

When I was a Constable in San Dorinde, we were having cofee and buttered rolls at a sidewalk cafe.
A small black toyota with tinted windows and Exonerated plates was idling near the
Royal bank of Canada.

Rocky says: the Bank is being robbed, I shrug, nahhh,
I drink coffee, Luis says, stolen plates, on the list, shows me a sheet with the Exonerated plate 887, we hop up and open the trunk of our lil Black Toyota, Remington 870s w/ slings, Thompson sub, no shoulder stock, 14 inch barrel stick mags, sling, gas mask bag full of mags.

We stand covered by our Toyota, the front glass door opens and 4 guys walk out holding shotguns, Rocky yells hey you ####### explicative....
The guy fires a blast and a pellet hits my arm.

I was already raising the 870 and fired 4 times hitting nobody. They are shooting at us and the glass of our Toyota explodes peppering my glasses.

At this point I am bleeding from who knows where.

Without remembering how, I let a Thompson mag loose full auto at their rolling Toyota breaking glass and steam rushing out the bottom of the car.

Rocky and Luis are slow firing shotguns to little effect, finally I fire one more Thompson magazine and there are 4 figures lying prone, we notice the Toyotas door is open and it's lone occupant is lying in the street, no glass and empty, with so many rounds fired, abysmal aim, we were lucky nobody in the Bank was hurt.

An embarrassing amount of ammo fired and terrible marksmanship, I did lose enough blood to feel very light headed around 8 pellets and glass removed from various parts.

 

Another idea that won't fly.

But you won and you lived. That's the bottom line.

 

Gun fights rarely, if ever, follow Hollywood script. Then, even when you walk away, there are those continuing nagging 20-20 hindsight what I should have dones, particularly if injuries occured.... never leaves you.

 

I agree it's difficult to load on the fly so I opted for a mag extension instead of a side saddle. The first four rounds are Hornady TAP 00 buck, The following three rounds are 3" Magnum 000 buck. It'll kill bugs dead.

I fell in love with the Supernova, best shotgun I've ever shot. Would like to get a bird cage on the barrel someday.

 

I've never understood why people put flashlights and/or laser sights on a home defense weapon. If you actually end up using it to defend your home all you are doing with those devices is saying "here I am".

 

ok whos the resident expert here? Tell me wbich one to buy. I want one shot to ensure any filth entering my home has a hole in him I can see through but easy enough for my wife to handle as well.

 

The truth of that is profound. Even when every evaluation of the event shows you did everything right - even if they hang commendations on you afterwards - there's always that sense of "did I really do everything right?" The worst part, to me, is getting yourself to where you feel confident and at peace with yourself over the event, and then you wake up from a dream in the middle of the night sweating and hammering with adrenaline overload. Ironically, to me the real progress came when I was instructing and I would use my own event to illustrate the lessons I was teaching. Once I started doing that, the dreams became few and far between.

 

I have flashlights on my home-defense weapons, but not lasers, and the tactics I use call for very sparing use of the light. It's not to search, but for the very last second target confirmation. There's also the physiological effect when someone whose eyes are adjusted to the dark suddenly gets hit with 300 lumens of white light they tend to have the involuntary flinch response where their eyes close and they turn their head away from the glare. Then, lights out.