Young Americans want Chinese EVs!

You brought up LITTER. I pointed out a “clean” city is of little value if the litter ends up polluting 70% of the water. Just because you don’t see it in a propaganda video doesn’t mean it’s not a problem. If you didn’t want to learn the truth about China and their garbage, you shouldn’t have posted the propaganda video and brought up litter.

I get it. You are infatuated with China and don’t care if they abuse people and trash the environment.

In the US it’s 30-50% of waters unsafe. In China, it’s 70%. As I said, the US sucks LESS than China. But you still prefer China. Odd.

My posts are honest. I’m able to accept all data. I don’t deny data based on appeal to emotion. Sorry some data conflicts with your bias. You can reject it, but it still exists.

 

Perhaps that is because they cannot afford a GM union-built one.

 

Maybe it’s because I live in Colorado. I’m thinking more in-line with our governor.

https://pagosadailypost.com/2024/05...bidens-tariff-increases-on-chinese-evs-solar/

“The prospect of tariff hikes has divided the clean energy industry, which employs more than 64,000 people in Colorado. A small but growing American solar manufacturing sector stands to benefit from the strengthened trade protections, while installers and developers, which have long relied on a supply of solar “panels from overseas, say the move will hurt their business and slow the clean-energy transition.”
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“Polis, a moderate Democrat who has often been at odds with members of his party over issues of taxation and regulation, joins free-trade advocates and some progressive environmental groups in criticizing the tariff hikes.”

 

As we have discussed previously, China heavily subsidizes and regulates its EV sales internally. Kids see a $12K EV meme on the internet and think that is a great deal. They don't realize they aren't ever getting that price even if there were no tariffs. It would be upper $20K-mid $30K price tag at the very least because that would be the only way those manufacturers can make a profit that they are not allowed in China due to the direct subsidies from the government. Now logically, Chinese manufacturers could just build plants in the US and bypass the tariffs for their US market sales, but then they aren't getting that EV at anywhere near the meme price. Don't get me wrong. I would love for China to start building cars in the US because of the jobs it would create and the downward price pressures that would come with it, but the right would oppose it because it is china and the left would oppose it because of the UAW. That industry needs the sort of disruption that came when Toyota started building in the US.

 

I agree with most of what you’re saying. However, I do think Chinese companies could sell their vehicles at a lower price, and still make a profit. They control every aspect of the battery manufacturing process, and their battery facilities are highly automated. Batteries are the main cost of EVs, and their manufacturing can cut the cost in half. I can see EVs easily selling for under $20K, with healthy profit margins.

 

Stellantis CEO, Carlos Tavares, says high tariffs on Chinese vehicles are a bad idea.

https://www.fastcompany.com/91129568/tariffs-on-chinese-evs-a-major-trap-says-stellantis-ceo

The comments in an interview with Reuters are among the CEO’s most strongly worded yet as tensions among Beijing, Brussels and Washington over EV trade grow. The EU is expected to decide next month on whether to follow the U.S. in imposing additional tariffs on Chinese carmakers.
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Tavares said tariffs on Chinese vehicles imported to Europe and the United States are “a major trap for the countries that go on that path” and will not allow Western automakers to avoid restructuring to meet the challenge from lower cost Chinese manufacturers.

Mr Tavares may have ulterior motives however, as just last week, they signed a deal with a Chinese automaker.

Stellantis last week announced it would start selling EVs of its Leapmotor Chinese partner outside China during this year, starting form Europe in September.

The Stellantis-Leapmotor joint venture, the first one between a Western and a Chinese carmaker designed to sell and produce EVs from a Chinese manufacturer outside China, will help the Franco-Italian group expand its global offerings of budget vehicles.

 

Biden just put high tariffs on Chinese electric vehicles.

Why? Because the Democrats pushed through a law requiring dealerships to buy certain percent quotas of American-made electric vehicles, and now those dealerships have too many electric cars sitting on their lots that not enough people want to buy.

 

A lot of manufacturers have a lot of cars sitting on lots ICEs and EVs.

 

Both Biden and Trump want high tariffs on Chinese EVs. I think it sucks. I’ve even heard people say that the Chinese will spy in America with their cars.

 

Musk hurt the American market by getting into politics imo

 

Corporations have to be MORE profitable year over year, just being profitable is not enough, as they also sell shares of stock, like printing money

 

they are hoping consumers eventually start buying the overpriced cars and truck, but I think the market will crash eventually, it has too, either wages rise drastically or the market crashes, the Republican run FED has chosen to keep wages low and crash the market

 

Labor costs

 

A truer word was never said. He ****ed teslas reputation, good and proper.

 

The same was true when the Japanese first started entering the US automobile market. There was mass panic, and Unions were worried. It ended up helping the US car industry make a better product. The Chinese are also working towards a lot of collaborations with the US Auto Industry. They aren't just trying to dump cheap cars.

 

The chinese, steal patents and use cheap labor to make cheap knock offs. We can't compete with that unless you wanna work slave hours for slave wages?

 

That’s fascinating to think about. It’s a bit telling that people (self proclaimed) concerned about the environment still hold political partisanship as a higher priority than the environment. I’m not sure what that means, but it means something.

It’s sad that in the U.S. even a business that builds what one believes will save the planet from a fiery demise is marginalized if the owner strays off the reservation politically. We are at a point where the statement by Lincoln (plagiarized from the Bible) applies not only to our two party system, but to demographics within each system. A house of environmentalism can’t stand if it’s divided over whether or not “X” should have less or more censorship.

"A house divided against itself, cannot stand."
—-A. Lincoln

 

What's going to happen when Americans figure out that they can buy a car (perhaps, a Chinese EV) in Mexico, drive it into the U. S., get it titled in the American state they arrive in, and start enjoying the savings of tens of thousands of dollars...? No, it's not as easy as "falling off a log", but it can be done with less effort and expense than you might think!

What if: a guy buys a Chinese EV from a Mexican car dealership, has it transported to, say, Juarez, Mexico -- right across the Rio Grande from El Paso, Texas. Then this guy goes to the drop-off point in Juarez, and drives his new car into El Paso. Think it can't be done? Ha! Check it out! Yeah, he surely has to pay Mexican sales tax, get a title and licence plates in Mexico and some other customary bureaucratic things -- but how many dollars did he save? The answer: LOTS!

 

Could happen. I've thought about it - would like one of those BYD pickups, One thing though - A vehicle bought in Mexico wouldn't qualify for the $7500 US tax credit. Assuming a local vehicle would qualify (and some may not), there would have to be at least $8-10K savings by buying in Mexico. For example, Stellantis just stated that their Electric Jeep will sell for $25K in the US (although some think he's actually talking about $32.5K, with the tax rebate factored in).

 

I don't know specifics involving EV's, but when I lived in El Paso back in the early 1980's, I knew several people who did this kind of thing often -- and saved money, and MADE money when they sold the vehicles... sometimes very soon after bringing them into Texas. Once they had that Texas title, everything was possible.

 

If that is true they should move to China and witness first hand the economic and social miracles coming from the Chinese Communist Party. Biden has implemented a 100% tariff on Chinese EV's. The Chinese Communist Party has spent $173B in EV subsidies since 2009.

 

Link? Also, while you're at it, how much has the US spent?

 

You can look it up. Anything more than one dollar is too much.

 

I'll assume your numbers are fabricated.

 

You are not interested in the truth. No assumptions required.