It Always Starts with the Jews.

I'm more interested in finding out why you look up to someone like Louis Farrakhan?

 

His analogy called Jacobs ladder, whereby we are all antisemities, where all spectrums of the political divide can be grouped into one homogeneous organism in order to serve an extreme selfish disposition. It's very interesting imo.

 

I'm sure you find every word he ever wrote very interesting.

So who is the "extreme selfish disposition" ? Das Juden?

 

No they weren't.

 

TRY THAT IN A RED STATE: 69 overnight trespassing arrests after Israel-Hamas war protest at ASU Tempe.

'TEMPE, AZ (AZFamily) — Sixty-nine people were taken into custody during a political protest on the Old Main lawn at Arizona State University’s Tempe campus early Saturday. That number, coupled with three arrests made on Friday, means 72 arrests have been made in connection to the Pro-Palestinian demonstrations.'

I'd expect that the prosecutors will charge them where their conduct supports charges, and where their guilt is established, Red State Juries will convict, and Red State Judges will impose sentences.

 

And here is a Blue City getting Red-Pilled:

Boston Mayor Michelle Wu says she directed police response at Emerson College encampment.

“Boston Mayor Michelle Wu said she directed police to take down an Emerson College student encampment for public safety reasons, thereby empowering the commissioner to make 108 arrests to enforce the city ordinance it was violating. Wu, in remarks Friday, reiterated her support for a police response the prior morning that has been criticized by some community members and city councilors, including the body’s President Ruthzee Louijeune, as being ‘heavy-handed.’ The mayor added that she was behind that response, which led to clashes between pro-Palestinian student protestors and police, and had been working closely with Emerson school officials and Boston Police Commissioner Michael Cox for several days before deciding to proceed with removal of the encampment.”

'Wu has been a big lefty in the past, but I think her Asian-American constituents are dragging her to the center."

Good!

 

Without even looking at the examples you cited, I fully agree that there are many disturbed and unhappy people who have an irrational hatred of Jews.

It's their loss.

What makes the term even more confusing is that not only Jews are Semites. Arabs are also Semites as were many of the ancient Levantine tribes that predated the ancient Hebrews.
Therefore, someone with an irrational hatred of Arabs is also an "anti Semite" but the word is most commonly used today to describe someone with an irrational hatred of Jews.

Re:

I don't feel qualified to comment on the sentiments of Harvard University students but, overall, I think that there are several reasons that there was and remains comparatively less outrage over the 1,000 (+ , -) Israelis killed that day.

Some of them are:

1. Israelis are already unpopular (1) and deserve the consequences of choosing relentless Settlement sprawl over peace (2)

2. IDF has been murdering, kidnapping, raping and torturing Palestinians by the tens of thousands while stealing their land since the 1940s.These routine massacres: "Operation Cast Lead", "Operation Pillar of Cloud", "Operation Cutting Edge" etc along with daily killings, kidnappings, torture and routine humiliations were and are IDF's S.O.P. (Standard Operating Procedure). In light of these routine massacres of Palestine's native residents by IDF and extremist "Settlers", it is not shocking to the world that the Palestinians would retaliate.

3. Still another reason that the crimes by Hamas on 7 October 2023 have failed to enrage the world is the historic habit of the Israeli government of lying.
For example, most all Israeli horror stories about headless babies, rape, mutilation of pregnant women etc have turned out to be simple lies. Additionally, a far greater number of hostages and Israelis were killed by indiscriminate IDF firing at anything that moved.
IDF's killing of unarmed, half naked hostages waving white flags is proof of reckless and trigger happy IDF bloodlust.

4. Since the Israelis knew at least a year in advance of this specific attack, were given details about the locations and tactics, there is a strong argument that the less-than-honorable elements in Israel government deliberately allowed the attack to occur as an excuse to invade Gaza, murder as many residents as possible and "annex" Gaza as part of the "Greater Israel". In other words, the Israeli government knew of the 7 October attack at least a year in advance with frequent updates but chose to do nothing to stop or mitigate the attack

Finally, today with the Gaza death toll at just under 40,000, children starving, the elderly and sick dying from preventable diseases and infections, few people are going to be sympathetic to those 1,000 (+ . -) Israelis many of whom were trespassing "Settlers".
To suggest that the killing of 1,000 (+,-) Jews is more reprehensible than the killing of 35,000 non Jews because Jewish lives are, somehow, more valuable is also a repulsive form of bigotry.

Re:

I fully agree that bigots of all types exist but are not limited to those who are hostile to Jews, Blacks and gay individuals.
Perhaps no one has been given a bigger voice to anti German and anti Muslim bigots than Hollywood and Western MSM but ultimately one only harms oneself by tuning out other views and carrying around a load of hate.

Thanks,





(1). “BBC Poll: Israel Among World's Least Popular Nations”
http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/bb...tions-1.525890

EXCERPT“The annual BBC World Service poll finds Germany most popular; only countries less popular than Israel are North Korea, Pakistan and Iran.”CONTINUED

(2). “Israel Does Not Want Peace”
https://www.haaretz.com/2014-07-04/...nt-peace/0000017f-db80-df62-a9ff-dfd75c210000

 

Sure pal, and the shots are safe and effective and Bill Clinton did not have sexual relations with that woman.

 

Thanks to religious zeal, the feelings seem to be mutual. As Alan Watts noted in the 70s, religious books like the Bible, Koran and Talmud could easily be described as the most dangerous books in the world because so many wars, so much killing, has been inspired by those books.

 

I'm not your pal. I'm your critic.

 

LOL, a blind critic.

 

Let me correct some facts:

1. Yes, Israelis are very unpopular, but I can prove the reason is not Israelis actions, but very ancient tradition - for example Israeli are much more gentle with Palestinians than Pole, Czechs and Russians with Germans, much more gentle then Indians and Pakistanis with each other, much gentler then Russians with Chechnyans, much gentler than Sudanis Arabs with Sudanis Blacks, much gentler Rwanda Hutus with Rwanda Tutsis and I can list much more.

2. IDF did not exist before 1948. Before 1948 Jews and Arabs killed each other with the same passion, after 1948 Palestinians attacked Israelis and Israelis responded. "Operation Cast Lead", "Operation Pillar of Cloud" and more were not massacres but Israeli response to Hamas missile attacks, suicide attacks and kidnappings, unless you define that missile attacks, suicide attacks and kidnappings is not murder, because it depends on context.

3. The reason of Oct 7 attack was explained by Hamas leaders and it is written in Hamas chapter – unless you claim you know the reason better than Hamas leaders and Hamas chapter is lying:


https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/hamas-2017.pdf

4. Using the same logic American government allowed Sept 11 attack and Pearl Harbor attack.

Finally – all numbers about deaths in Gaza are supplied by Hamas, organization famous for telling truth, truth and only truth and every intelligent people should believe it, especially we need to believe Hamas who is a child:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_child_suicide_bombers_by_Palestinian_militant_groups

And about role of women in Gaza:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayat_al-Akhras

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wafa_al_Bass

 

The American government did much more than "allow" 911 to happen, and the Comptroller at the time was an ordained dual citizen rabbi named Dov Zakheim. The spawn of those events gave us DHS, as I'm sure you will recall. Sheer coincidence you might say, but the first head of DHS was the dual citizen Chertoff.

 

This is a great post.

There is a reason nobody is attempting to refute your points here.

*Crickets*

 

In that "great post" @Grau said "Therefore, someone with an irrational hatred of Arabs is also an "anti Semite" but the word is most commonly used today to describe someone with an irrational hatred of Jews." And in this he apparently set out to clarify the situation. And yet he completely failed to clarify anything as he went on about Israeli government policy and how it dealt with the local Arab/Israeli conflict. So consider the "crickets" to be chirping now, because the clarification which is both critical and absent is that the conflict has its basis in the POLITICS of Israel, which is ZIONISM. And the anti-ethnic and even genocidal policies of ZIONISM against the Palestinian people are the issue. So it does not involve any form of antisemitism at all until Zionists introduce it as a deflecting and confusing device to gain traction. ZIONISM is a political concept, viewpoint, agenda, and program of racism and authoritarianism bordering on fascism. If Zionism is "indistinguishable" from Judaism as some proponents of Zionist propaganda claim, then please explain all the JEWISH anti-Zionist organizations in Israel. If Zionism = "Jewishness" (which isn't actually a nationality or ethnic identity) then how do we explain all the non-Jewish Zionists in the US Congress?

Opposition to the vicious and violent intolerance of Zionism is not "antisemitism". It is resistance to a violent and intolerant political movement. This should have been clarified.

 

Clearly grau can go into more detail. The reason iLabelled it a great post is because of the multiple talking points that should stem from his post, if ppl here actually want an intellectual discussion as opposed to pitiful sarcasm, wit and personal attacks.

 

Sounds true - Dov Zakheim with the dual citizen Chertoff allow 9/11 to happen.
BTW - do you think Reptilians were involved too?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptilian_conspiracy_theory

 

I don't see where you have "corrected" anything I have both written and supported.


1. I think that we can agree that Israel, today, is one of the least popular countries / governments in the world.

The tiresome canard that they are unpopular just because they are Jewish and not because of their genocidal agenda is easily debunked nonsense.

Just look at the recent language of Avi Dickter: ("We are now rolling out the Gaza Nakba.") and Yoav Gallant (“We are imposing a complete siege on Gaza. No electricity, no food, no water, no fuel. Everything is closed. We are fighting human animals, and we will act accordingly.”)


There is absolutely nothing "gentle" about the way that foreign Zionist invader / occupiers are treating Palestine's earlier residents and no amount of "what about .....?" is going to make them look any better.


What sort of sick government allows the general Israeli public to film the torture of Palestinian hostages? (1)


2. Re:

Do you just make things up and hope that no one will notice their falsity? The British Hope-Simpson Report of 1930 clarified that Jews and Arabs got along well and frequently socialized. The serious fighting began with the invasion of Nazi armed and trained Zionist terrorist gangs who wanted all of Palestine and its existing residents gone. (2)


3. The reasons behind the Hamas attack are not so much a mystery as which Israeli officials were complicit because it certainly was not a surprise to the Israeli's who knew of the attack a year before it occurred.

Hamas even produced a video showing when, where and how the attack would happen.

Since Israel has the most sophisticated monitoring system on the planet, only the most gullible of individuals could believe that it was a surprise to the entire Israeli government.

The Egyptians even warned the Israeli government hours before the attack so it is undeniable that some individuals in the Israeli government were complicit in the attack that gave Israel's right wingers the excuse they wanted in order to destroy Gaza and its population


Israel's right wing, "Greater Israel" Zionist have clearly stated their intent to exterminate / expel Gaza's existing residents and steal Gaza too. Israel's "Settlers" already have maps on how they are going to develop "beachfront property" in Gaza.


4. Regarding Pearl Harbor and 9/11, anyone who has studied either event thoroughly no longer believes the official narrative.


Finally, for the Israeli government to claim that only Hamas is distorting statistics would be laughable if the topic were not so tragic.

Don't you remember the popular lie that Hamas beheaded about 40 children that was even parroted by gullible US Officials? (3)

Since that and other grisly stories generated by the Israeli government were lies, why believe anything they claim?





(1). “IDF Let Israeli Civilians Film Torture of Palestinian Detainees: Report”

https://www.commondreams.org/news/gaza-torture


EXCERPT “Israel Defense Forces officers brought Israeli civilians into detention centers and allowed them to watch and film Palestinian prisoners being tortured, according to survivor testimonies published this week by the Geneva-based Euro-Mediterranean Human Rights Monitor.


“The former detainees said groups of 10-20 Israeli civilians were brought in and allowed to record torture sessions in which the men, stripped nearly naked, were beaten with metal batons, electrocuted, and had hot water poured over their heads. The ex-prisoners said some of the Israelis laughed while filming their torture.” CONTINUED



(2). “Top Ten Myths about the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict”

http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/06/17/top-ten-myths-about-the-israeli-palestinian-conflict/


EXCERPT "Myth #1 – Jews and Arabs have always been in conflict in the region.


"The British Hope-Simpson report of 1930 similarly noted that Jewish residents of non-Zionist communities in Palestine enjoyed friendship with their Arab neighbors. “It is quite a common sight to see an Arab sitting in the verandah of a Jewish house”, the report noted. “The position is entirely different in the Zionist colonies."CONTINUED



(3) "A list of Israeli lies, propaganda and genocidal intent"

https://hebhjamal.substack.com/p/a-list-of-israeli-lies-propaganda

EXCERPT

"The Propaganda:

1. Israel’s military and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office claimed that Hamas fighters beheaded up to 40 children during their October 7 attack on the town of Kfar Aza. The incendiary allegations spread quickly and were widely repeated in the media and by President Joe Biden, who falsely claimed during a meeting with Jewish leaders that he personally saw photos of beheaded children, which the White House later walked back, admitting he had not seen any such photos and that the US had not verified the claim. However, Israeli journalists who visited the scene of the alleged beheadings saw no evidence to support the allegation and the Israeli military officials accompanying them made no mention of it. The Israeli army subsequently refused to confirm the claim and more than a week later no evidence has emerged to support it."
   CONTINUED

 

Thank you for your kind words.

I don't claim to be infallible or to be any sort of expert but I try to support my opinions.

I feel that it's important to understand what is going on in the Middle East because it's simply my opinion that if and when we have a WW 3, it will be ignited by event there.

Thanks again...

 

I'm pretty sure chertoff is a WJE, which is whom the "lizard" is supposed to represent in your source.

 

Well, if you didn’t see where I corrected you – it means you didn’t read my post – no problem, you can still believe that “2. IDF has been murdering, kidnapping, raping and torturing Palestinians by the tens of thousands while stealing their land since the 1940s.”.

Maybe I should use your way of discussion – you will show Israeli atrocities and I will show Palestinians atrocities, you will show what some Israeli said, and I will show what some Palestinians said.

So here is what Palestinians did to Jews, when according to you “Jews and Arabs got along well and frequently socialized”:
The Battle of Tel Hai was fought on 1 March 1920 between Arab and Jewish forces at the village of Tel Hai in Northern Galilee. In the course of the event, a Shiite Arab militia, accompanied by Bedouin from a nearby village, attacked the Jewish agricultural locality of Tel Hai.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tel_Hai

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1920_Nebi_Musa_riots

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre

You wrote: “The tiresome canard that they are unpopular just because they are Jewish and not because of their genocidal agenda is easily debunked nonsense.”

If it was true what you said – how do you explain that protest against Israel started few days after Palestinians committed genocide murdering 1200 Israelis, raped Israeli women and kidnapped even children and no word condemning murdering, rapping of Jews?

https://www.columbiaspectator.com/n...y-groups-release-open-letter-joint-statement/

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2023/10/15/gaza-protest-harvard/

You wrote “There is absolutely nothing "gentle" about the way that foreign Zionist invader / occupiers are treating Palestine's earlier residents and no amount of "what about .....?" is going to make them look any better.”

Please read more careful what wrote – I didn’t said Israeli treated Palestinians ‘gently’ I said:” Israeli are much more gentle with Palestinians than Pole, Czechs and Russians with Germans, much more gentle then....”

Why it is so difficult for you to admit a true fact that there were people much worse then Jews?


Now about what Palestinians said about Jews:





https://youtu.be/jLQHAlDs8tQ

Now about Palestinians atrocities:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_political_violence

And if you prefer pictures and videos to see what Palestinians did to Israelis - once I posted links on this forum but my post was removed, because we are allowed to post violence - but is you google "OCt 7 massacre" on youtube or Quora, you see more details.

When the violence will end? When Palestinians will understand that Israel is there to stay and Israelis will understand that Palestinians want their own state. According to polls in Israeli media, it looks in Gaza people understand this message more clearly than on the West Bank.

 

Do you understand that my post covered only 1 or 2 facts, and that analysis of the events of the day requires much more than that? Did you know that many books have been written about the events of the day, and that those books cite facts and evidence that contradict completely the official narrative regarding the events of the day?

 

The black slaves from Africa were not Jews or Israelites. Stop spewing these bullshit lies all over the forum, its spam and a derail.

 

Yes, I know, there much more theories which show that 9/11, WWI, WWII, slavery, 1929 Wall Street Crash and much more was created by people like Dov Zakheim or Chertoff. I think the oldest theory was this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Jews_during_the_Black_Death

There are two types of people – people who according to Mark Twain nothing can convince and thinking people who look for a valid evidence.

If presence of Jews in some high positions is prove of Jewish conspiracy, so for sure there is Jewish conspiracy in art, science, medicine, fraud, literature and media.
For me, evidence is evidence presented by Academia. Why Academia? Because Academia has something called ‘peer review’:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer_review

Because of peer review most fake theories are quickly exposed.

 

I am surprised that someone who served in the army can write such things. From your posts I see you follow Israeli politics, so for sure you know about ½ Israel for months demonstrates against Netanyahu and many army offices are against him too.

If you served in the army, you must know that there are some army commandants responsible for defense of some territory and only they decide how many soldiers are responsible for local defense. So if there was an order to let Hamas win, many officers must be involved and investigation will find it. Will it convince everyone? Of course not, some people prefer to believe in anonymous web sites and not to Academia or to courts.

In Israel the most popular conspiracy theory is that the Left allow Hamas to commit these Hamas genocide in order to get rid of Netanyahu, so soon I will post your theory on Israeli right groups and will keep you posted.

Oct 7 was not investigated yet, but Pearl Harbor was investigated by Academia and as I know no conspiracy was detected.

9/11? As far as I know not every source is available for research, but more compelling evidence is that it was a failure of FBI/CIA. If someone has LEGAL evidence of the true cause of 9/11, in the US they can go to courts or to the Congress – as far as I know not yes such evidence was found.

As to "for the Israeli government to claim that only Hamas is distorting statistics would be laughable if the topic were not so tragic" - I think it is laughable.
We have two media sources - one is Hamas and evidence shows that contradicting Hamas is hazardous to contradictor life and we have Israel where official Israeli TV contradicted Israeli version that Hamas beheaded about 40 children and as far as I know journalists who contradicted Israeli version are still alive and still work for the same media. Everyone have a right to decide to whom to believe - if I lived in Gaza, of course I would never contradict Hamas, but if I hated Israel...probably I would claim I believe Hamas. Meantime, I don't trust Hamas numbers, and I wrote why.