All the talk about gun control lately has been focusing around three things 1. Assualt Weapons 2. High Capacity Magazines 3. Mental Health While we can have a conversation about the first two issues, the third one should be concerning. It really appears to me that the 2nd ammendment activists and the NRA are really trying to blame the mental health of Americans of some. I don't blame people not wanting mentally unhealthy folks from having firearms, but I fear that the activists and the NRA are really going to focus on more rounding up of folks because that may have a mental health issue. I hope we don't see more force hopsitalizations and the losing of privacy rights for folks who may suffer from depression or may be speaking to a pyschologist.
please, answer this question lolo, If the teachers, in the sandy hook school had firearms available to them, would as many children have died there? hmm, ever wonder why bobby's are sometimes issued pistols?
Iolo is one of those misguided people who think criminals will obey gun laws and thus all gun violence will cease. Pretty sad reasoning.
Part of the reason that you don't heart much about #3 on the list is that doing much about that starts to infringe on people's right to privacy and doctor/patient privilege. Those are things that gun grabbers sill support.
The problem is societal. There have been mass killings in all of history forever all the way back to when there were just enough humans to support the numbers for mass killings. Vlad Dracul did not use M16s to kill hundreds of thousands of his own countrymen over decades. The Crusaders did not have AK47 when they invaded the holy lands. The moors did not have Uzis when they raided Europe for slaves in the Dark Ages. Guns don't enter into it. Sandy Hook would have been much more effectively done if he had chained the doors shut and then strapped on a garden sprayer filled with gasoline and soaked the buildings down well with fuel and then struck a match. Tell me it isn't so...
Probably best to find solutions to problems we can solve. The guns are out there, and unlike you law-abiding Brits who had their swords beat into plowshares after WWII and dutifully turned handguns in in the 90's, the two most gun-endowed segments of the American population -- rednecks and gangstas -- will not be turning their Glocks and AR's in any time soon. My solution is to increase prison terms for violent gun offenders, but it won't happen. Both sides in Washington are just waiting for the hubbub to die down so they can get back to their pet lobbies.
I take your point. A good start would be to charge gunsalesmen and the NRA as co-defendants at any gun-murder trial, since they are more responsible than the nutters who do the killing. I think what you say is the reason that only outright campaign against the cowboys can succeed - all this nonsense about banning nuclear weapons for babies or whatever it was won't meet the case. Yes - you are at the mercy of the lobbyists and the gerrymanderers at the moment, but I have still - admittedly in the long run - faith in the American people. You don't HAVE to have your children murdered just to give the scumbags profits, after all, and the fight may be the saving of you all.
The mental health profession is little better than those who profess to read minds and tarot cards. It's about time these folks are held to the fire. Humans are excellent liars and actors. One can't fake having a brain tumor, a broken leg or a major physical illness. But one can certainly fake any kind of mental illness not linked to physical attributes like Down's syndrome. Every time someone goes for an insanity defence, there are sets of mental health "experts" who give contrary diagnosises---depending on who supplies the cash. Psychology is a pseudo-science, at best. An intelligent con-artist can fool any of these experts. You can't fake a broken leg. The X-ray will see it. Tests and the professionals who give them can be manipulated. A phychiatrist who allows a mental patient to stay on the streets, with a prior record of violence towards others, should be held accountable if his patient does great harm to others. Too many mistakes, and their licences should be revoked and criminal penalties handed out. Dangerous mentally ill people should be locked up for life, if neccessary. The process of judging who needs locking up needs a complete overhall.
charge the gun salesmen, and NRA alongside criminals in murder trials, sir, we are a nation of laws! our government is under the rule of law. maybe in England, it is OK for your police, and politicians, too with impunity, violate all legal precedence, or rational, and persecute a CLUB, or a LEGAL MERCHANT merely because the politician dose not like what the club stands for, or the legal product the merchant sells, (however, i am familiar that England does have that history, in fact, it the very reason, the US is not a British colony) there is no means by witch a lawful gun seller, or a member of a legitimate club. can be so persecuted in any way under the law in america. and cowboy? not what i would call an insult, you have no idea what cowboy really is lolo. i know a real "cowboy" wears the hat, and everything.he is the son, and grandson of cowboys. he has a bachelors degree in ranch management, rides a horse at work. carries a rifle. and has a pack of "thuggish" border collies who help him with roundups. he one of the hardest working individuals i have ever met, he has worked managing the ranches of wealthy property owners in all over California long enough, and managed to saved enough of a stake living modestly. that he is now married, and has his own spread with his own cattle. as far as i Know he wouldn't think of committing any crimes. even though he carries a gun. and why does he carry a gun? that would be to remove wild dogs, coyotes, and other predators. a danger to his livelihood, as well as his life. as well as giving him some protection from and the rustlers, and illegal pot farmers he may run accost. who don't hesitate shoot at ranchers, and cowboys, as they manages the privet land under there authority. so lolo, in the words of the vernacular. SMILE WHEN YOU SAY THAT, PARDNER, :cowboy truth is, the mass of cowboys you talk about are law abiding american citizens, who merely wish to be left alone, by a government that is mandated by the constitution to leave them alone in almost every respect. i wonder weather you even know what you are suggesting here. that is the persecution, and imprisonment of the majority of law abiding citizenry. who live in rural counties, in the majority of mid west states. and states below the mason dixon line. and Alaska. you see, its not only the republicans who are blocking action on this issue, it is the democratic party as well, because in congress, the house and senate. the congressmen, and senators are Representative of the people, and many will vote against gun control, because they know if they vote for it a majority of there democratic supporters, will remove them in a primary challenge, or the general election regardless of how much campaign cash they have, or in what fantastic shape there district may be drawn in. gun control is an eastern states, and urban fad, and is rejected by most of the states of the union. my prof, preponderance of the evidence. there are 50 states in the union, there are 38 states that have uncontested shall issue CW permit laws in place, which is not an indicator of an anti gun population voting in that state. in fact, it is an indicator of the opposite. 38, is an interesting number, as it is also the number required to amend the constitution. because the constitution is amended by the state legislatures, it is conceivable, that a constitutional amendment could be put in place, that would make uncontested shall issue laws, the law of the land for all states. 38 stats instituting a shall issue law is also an indication that the state legislatures, by a constitutional majority interpret the right to keep and bear, as a constitutional right. furthermore, here is a map, of the states with relevant information on when one may openly carry a firearm. it must be fairly obvious even to the most anti gun activist in the supreme court, that it is very likely, that if they by judicial fiat, invalidated the second amendment in any way they would find themselves overruled by constitutional amendment, witch politically, would work as a long over due, and well deserved slap to the face of the federal government. as far as congress, and the president, are they in the business of ignoring the will of 2 thirds of the states, as expressed by a majority of that states population, and that states vote in the ballot box? sorry, its not lobbyists, or gerrymandering. its called the will of the people. from the ruins of your welsh castle, you look at us poor miserable american SERFS across the Atlantic, and pontificate (in a most ignorant, and insulting manner i might add) you inform us about how awful our miserable little lives are, how burdensome our freedoms are. america is, and what american culture has to do, to be more like British culture. sir. my great grandfather LEFT WALES he left his beloved Cymru for a reason, he didn't like the tyrannical governance, and crushing poverty that is the child of tyranny. he saw a better life in the freedom offered in america, and was allowed to make his way, and found that life. sir, how can you have faith in the american people when, with the exclusion of a slim minority of loud, whiny socialist politicians, and a batch of city bred euro-phile snobs, you do not KNOW the american people. after-all, your in the company of all those euro-trash snobs, that think COWBOY is an insult. at this point,, i'm wondering why my relatives risked there lives for you lot over the Atlantic. maybe we should have let the Nazis have you. :
Let's see by your logic, charge car makers and insurance companies for automobiles, charge tool manufacturers for hammers, charge sports equipment makers for bats, charge knife makers for knives, charge GOD for fists....is this really the logic the antigun folks want to use? LOL so pathetic
OPTION ONE: Name ONE other product that is sold in the USA that regularly explodes in people's faces, killing them, yet the manufacturers have no concern about being sued or having to meet safety requirements of any sort. OPTION TWO: Describe what you think the founding fathers meant by the words 'WELL REGULATED MILITIA".
small town, much more than just that. also charge the american auto association for cars. the carpenters union for hammers. the knife makers association for knives. little league baseball for bats. and churches for hands. ------------------------------------ (ps lolo, to further demonstrate your complete ignorance). the NRA is not a PAC, the registered PAC under the direction of the NRA is the ILA, any lobbying activity, or campaign contributions are legal, are documented, and are directed from voluntary donations solicited from members. as well as income earned from the investment of the NRA legacy fund. (the trust fund paid into by life members of the NRA, who agreed to this voluntary condition upon enrolling as a voting life member).that a Representative from the NRA, might speak before a congressional committee? sir, Americans are allowed to peaceably assemble (in an organisation such as the NRA) and petition there government for grievances. of coarse, you will assume, that because i am a life member of the NRA i am an ignorant murderous fiend. but that is just an outflow of your unreasoned, and ignorant fears of constructed metal objects, that have barrels, and shoot bullets. the only effect that has on me, i had little desire to ever vacation in Europe.. after being subjected to your demagoguery, and pontificating, i have no desire to ever vacation in Europe.
The reason why gunmakers and gun stores are not held liable for a crime when a gun is used is because that a case was already decided by the Supreme Court that they can not be held liable. Shows how ignorant most of the posters are to this thread that neither side could say that. I guess the NRA doesn't talk much about it since it doesn't go we'll with the fear mongering they do.
Well, life is too short to read all that, and I don't live in England, but you are living (if you are lucky) through a very major crisis that demands immediate action before the cowboys kill you all. If you prefer ancient documents to civilization and life, support the NRA.
All thoise things are made for other purposes. What do you do with guns but play cowboys and murder people - scratch your private parts? Grow up.
well, now here's something I can get my barrel pointed at.....not having murdered anyone and I don't play with guns, (cuz that ain't safe) I guess you didn't mean me. I'll let you do the scratching for me, cuz I don't have the faintest clue about what scratching part. Care to demonstrate?
I suspect the growing up belongs to you....isn't it funny that the things made for other purposes are used for killing both intentionally and unintentionally and those thing made for "killing" are used for good, like feeding people, protecting people, sports (weird ain't it) and competions.....things are starting to fall apart for you eh? - - - Updated - - - LOL By the lefts logic we wouldn't manufacture almost anything LOL Thanks for pointing that out!
Your log hut will be easy to burgle, doubtless, next time I am over there and feel murderous - though I can probably quite easily take one from a paralytically drunk member of the NRA lying in the gutter. You boys really are WEIRD, aren't you?
I think you have shot yourself in the head, mate. Guns are for killing, the other things aren't. That to hard for you, Billy the Kid?
so, you aren't going to demonstrate that scratching thingy your so fond of telling everyone about... Dude, I live in a tepee.............roflmmfao ............and you call yourself intelligent...................that is so funny with all the statements you make. You are clearly delusional if that's what you truly, down deep inisde, think. Only a sick mind would even think things like that. You may avail yourself, anytime you grow the cajones, to come get them yourself. Otherwise
