Do you approve sex before marriage?

Personally.... I believe if you have enough time and its out of sight of the minister and family.... course you should have sex before you get married.

Regards
Highlander

 

I believe in sex before PF posting... but it's a no-go this time

Maybe after posting....

 

I don't know, Durandal. Distance may be a factor.

Then there’s the wrath of heretic to consider.

I’d ask your yearning heart round for coffee, but heretic’s on patrol - using CAPS and throwing ‘slut’ and ‘whores’ and ‘sin’ and ‘satan’ words around. Let's wait until after his melltdown to decide anything.

 

If I were your father, then I would not allow Durandal to marry you, thereby stealing away your virginity (rape). He doesn't seem like a high enough value of a man and human being. If I were your father, only the best men in the world would even be allowed around you in your presence. The other low class, loser men of the world, I would keep away by the force of GOD. Because what kind of father wants his daughter to become a whore, slut, or prostitute?

I'll tell you, I'm so glad you asked..............a LIBERAL father. Liberal fathers don't actually "love" their daughters. Because liberal fathers don't protect their daughter's virtue.

Gwnedoline, whoever you have sex with, it better be AFTER marriage, and with an ideal mate, not some average joe loser with no prospect, no dignity, and no class in life. We don't want men like these reproducing. Men who are worthless, should not reproduce. Think of criminals, who really wants them reproducing? Nobody. Ought we allow pedophiles and perverts, sexual deviants like homosexuals reproduce too???? NO!!!

And we can stop this, by having TRUE CHRISTIAN fathers taking an active measure in their family lives, and preventing their daughters from interacting with degenerate scum, like liberals.

 

GOD CREATED MARRIAGE!!!!!!!!!

Do animals marry each other? No.......FIGURE IT OUT!!!

Why is marriage important? Because it separates humans from subhumans, adults from children, conservatives from liberals, class from the classless, cream from the scum. Only people with MORALS understand the importance of marriage, only people who have any worth in life. The SINNERS and GOD HATERS, the satan worshipers are the lost, misguided souls. Liberals. You're all about sexsexsex, sinsinsin. You're not responsible for yourselves, or the "choices" you make in life.

 

I didnt realize the government had a time machine with which it transported people from the middle ages into the present.

 

Are you serious about lying to women, telling them you'll love them forever, taking their virginity or getting some sex, then dumping them later?

Are you serous about using and abusing weak women, who are susceptible to lies of perverts?

Are you serious about going straight to HELL after realizing the evilness of your liberal agenda?

 

How do you know they are lying? What if they just change their mind?

If a woman makes such a decision of their own free will, then ues they can be "abused" as you describe it.

No one is going to hell. God is merciful, remember?

 

So going "back in time" means.............what?

It means that fathers don't love their (liberal) daughters today? It means that liberal fathers would "allow" their daughters to become whores, sluts, and prostitutes freely......and there are no negative consequences for this??? Does being a father, today, mean absolutely neglecting responsibility and DUTY and PRIDE???

How can a father who has daughters, have any pride in himself, if he sells his daughter to a pimp, or sells his daughters away for money??????????

Explain this to me

 

Means meeting people who say the same drivel you spewed above.

If a woman wants to be a slut, she has the complete liberty and freedom to do so. If someone like you tries to stop them you may be prosecuted for impeding her freedom.

Dont know. I'm not talking about seeking your children, I'm talking about letting your children make up their own minds.

If your daughter wants to sleep with as many people as physically possible, she is protected by the force of the law to pursue such an end.

 

"just change their mind" IS THE LYING!!! That is the lying part.

Men don't "love women forever", most of the time, it's about sex. It's about TAKING what you want, from a woman, and using her to fill your needs of lust.

It's about abuse, and lying.

Sex without commitment is a form of abuse, yes. It's TAKING something away from a woman. Or are you saying men should just fornicate, have sex out of marriage, and abandon their children like bastards do? We live in a nation of bastards, nobody values FAMILY. Liberals, sex for pleasure, SIN, is the virtue of our ONCE GREAT NATION.

Yes, a young girl, about to lose her virginity at 16, to some LOSER who convinces her that he "loves her forever!!!" and then she gets DUPED later on.........yes that sounds like "love" to me. It's not about love, it's about sex. The problem today is that we don't hold women accountable for their degenerate, promiscuous and sexual behaviors. We ought to shame these young girls, for their bad choices. They deserve shame and guilt, and lots of it.

How else do you expect to CORRECT THE PROBLEM? SIN IS THE PROBLEM!!!

Having sexsexsex sinsinsin without addressing the NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES, is the problem. That girl, who got lied to, lost her virginity to some loser guy.......has just lost the greatest gift she had in life. She can NEVER GET THAT BACK. She should feel very ashamed with herself, and a lack of pride. Only GOD can forgive people..LIBERALS...like this. How can any human have the strength to forgive that disgrace? That goes beyond me. That's GOD'S TERRITORY.

Let HIM judge.

The New Testament is mostly blasphemy and false. GOD is not "merciful" as many have been lied to......that is a different type of heresy.

I really don't think GOD is going to forgive most people. I BELIEVE they're going straight to the hellfire, and they may not ever come back. But that's a good thing, who wants pedophiles, criminals, rapists, and liberals coming back to Earth???? Who wants sexual perverts, deviants, liars, and haters filling up nations??

 

So what?

Indeed, so I dont know why humans bother.

So what?

I have morals. I think marriage is pointless.

Sex is fun, that much is true.

Well, if you are of sound mind, yes you are.

 

You are saiyng no man changes his mind?

Yes but some change their mind.

Well, yes. If men and woman want to have sex, they should go right ahead. When it comes to children, I think they should provide for and care for them.

But sex does entail a fair bit of love.

Not at all. If a young girl wants to have consensual fun, she has every right - same as a guy.

Sin isnt a problem. There is no real problem with sex, let alone sex outside marriage. The comodification of sex I think is a problem, but that's not what we are discussing here. The solution to all problems is the increase of general knowledge.

Sure, but generally, sex has no seriously negative consequences.

Not really.

Virginity isn't that important mate. Trust me, if she doesn't have sex in a few months, she'll be more desperate than before she had sex for the first time.

Not at all. If she had a good time, she should feel happy.

LOL Ok.

I doubt there is a God.

 

They must have been my relatives. Because nobody really agrees with me, in case you MISSED THE OBVIOUS FACT. Nobody likes me, or agrees with me. Why not? Because truth is dangerous. And it has the potential to hurt and exclude everybody. When people are confronted by truth, most run away at their own crimes, lies, and SINS in life. People hate seeing the TRUTH of themselves.

WRONG!!!!!!!!!

A TRUE CHRISTIAN father OWNS his daughter, and she is his property, to protect. Liberals, like you, who hate your daughters, and want to feed your daughters to wolves or Satan.....you don't "Love" your daughters at all. You don't care for them. You don't protect them. You have no pride in yourself, or your family, as men. The only men who can take pride in their families about this, are TRUE CHRISTIAN fathers who protect their daughters from the lies of young men, and want them to avoid being whores, like most women today.

Liberal daughters hate their fathers, and liberal fathers hate their daughters. Why, you ask??? Because a liberal father WANTS his daughter to be a prostitute and slut. HE DOES NOT CARE ABOUT HER!!!!!!! He does not care "who she has sex with". A liberal father doesn't care if his daughter is kidnapped by a pedophile, raped, and then returns. A liberal father will say, "she can have sex with whomever she chooses". A liberal father does not care about his daughter's chastity, and thereby, his family's pride in itself.

A father owns his daughter. What do you believe "FREEDOM" is?????????????

You believe that FREEDOM means a father ought to give all his daughters up for prostitution, liberalism, SIN????????

You believe that FREEDOM means a father having no pride in himself, will NOT protect his daughter's VIRTUE???????????

THAT IS WHAT FREEDOM IS TO YOU????? Then I don't want it. And TRUE CHRISTIAN daughters will not your "freedom", and by "freedom" YOU MEAN SIN!!!!!!

FREEDOM IS SIN, TO YOU!!!

Freedom is about sexual degeneracy to you!!! I SEE NOW!!! "FREEDOM", to you liberals, is about perverts having sex together, and that's what "FREEDOM" amounts to!!!!

Children cannot "make up their own minds". They're children, not adults.

But liberals are children forever. Liberals "choose" Satan to guide them, instead of GOD.

No, WRONG AGAIN.............she is protected by ME HER FATHER. Are you suggesting that the government is the only protection for young women??????

Are you suggesting that the U.S. Federal Government is a better "father" than TRUE CHRISTIAN FATHERS??????????

Which LAW are you talking about, man's laws..........or GOD'S LAWS WHICH ARE ETERNALLY TRUE????????????

If you think the government "cares" about you or your family, then you have a hard lesson to learn ahead of yourself!!!!!

 

That's okay, I don't think we'll get married just yet.

You misunderstand. I am 'currently' celibate. I am not a virgin, are you?

^^ I suppose this means you'll start calling me a liberal slut again, you tolerant, tolerant man. By the way, how many times have you had sex? And may I call you a slut, too, based on how many times you've had sex? That would be fair, I think.

You are alienating just about everyone on this forum. With your sex-obsession. It might just do you the world of good to have sex. Then you might relax and not churn so much.

God loves everyone. While you are like the opposite of God because you keep trashing people here.

 

SO.......marriage separates humanity from being animals, and committing endless sin.

Marriage separates humans with SPIRIT, SOUL, and WORTH, MEANING, PURPOSE..........from those without them.

Marriage separates children from adults. Adults have RESPONSIBILITIES. Sex, consummating the TRUE CHRISTIAN MARRIAGE, is the highest responsibility of life. What is a higher responsibility in life than creating family? NOTHING!!!!

So being a man, instead of an animal, is important.

You don't have morals. You're a liberal. Liberals, and atheists, are without morals.

If you have any sense of decency, then it is very small and unnoticeable.

That is why it is SIN. Sex is a drug, which the Zionist media moguls pour into the heads of children, and Zio-Libs pour into the heads of preschoolers, sexually perverting them. It's all about SIN, and ignoring the true PURPOSE of sex.

I know

 

MMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm................ The only one judging anyone is your good self and your bigoted mind set!

Lighten up...... only bigots and fools need to have the threat of "Judgement day"!
If a girl at 16 loses her virginity, its hers to give! As is the experience! Good or bad!
Sin is the bogyman to scare the unworldly!
My god hasn't the ignorance or the hatred you seem to digest and vomit forth.

Heresy...... mmmmm....... where is the understanding...... the caring god in your words??? Your Bile! Your Dogma! Your limited experiences of life! Your lack of humility! You're lack of humanity!

Perhaps one should experience some love in there life for there fellow man or woman!

Regards
Highlander

 

There wasnt an ounce of truth in what you said.

As I said, a woman has total sovereignty over her body on such personal matters as deciding her lover. Given I am neither a liberal, nor do I have children, I cannot comment on my parenting style, but I would say, after reaching the age of consent, I would fully support my daughter in pursuing thought-out interests, and I would fully endorse her sleeping with a boy friend where she felt comfortable in doing so.

No, I'm quite sure liberal families love each other like most other families. Chastity is valueless and stupid.

A father does not own any one of his children. Freedom is the ability to best pursue one's interests with respect of those held by others.

If the daughter so chooses, then yes of course.

He can have pride in himself is he chooses. Virtue is an invention.

Indeed, most sin is entirely acceptable in a free society. If you dont want to sin, dont sin, but if your daughter wants to exercise her freedom, she is perfectly entitled to do so.

If you want to sin, you have the freedom to do so, yes.

Again, if you want to have consensual sex, go ahead.

Well I am talking about daughters and woman at and past the age of consent.

What, like "hail satan", or something?

If she wishes to have sex, and she is past the age of consent, and you prevent her, the law will be ready to punish you accordingly.

No I'm saying woman at the age of consent are their own, best masters.

How is God's law eternally true?

I cna assure you the law will be there to protect your daughter's right to exercise freedom over her own body once she reaches the age of consent. What's more, nature will ensure your fears will come to fruition.

 

No, I'm saying that sometimes when a man changes his mind, he's lying.

Yes some LIE

Young men cannot respect women who give away their sex freely, to lies. It's in the nature of young men. When a young man has sex with a girl, and she gives it up too freely and easily, without a fight, then he takes advantage of her. He knows that he can use her.....as a slut. And that is what she is, a worthless slut with no sense of pride or dignity. She gives her sex out freely, cheaper than a prostitute. In fact, a prostitute has more sense of self than a slut does, because at least a prostitute is getting paid for her sexual abuse. Sluts give away their sexual abuse.

They have the lowest amount of self-worth and self-esteem. I've met girls like this. I've known girls like this, intimately. They give their sex away.....and hate themselves for it. They have no PRIDE or DIGNITY in themselves.

NO, WRONG

Sex has consequences. What happens when you take the condoms off, and SIN NO MORE???

What is the consequence of sex, if not CHILDREN?????? Your SIN, your lust, your GREED....has consequences.

Providing and caring for a daughter, as a father, means PROTECTING HER VIRGINITY FROM PEDOPHILES, ZIO-LIB PERVERTS, HOMOSEXUAL FREAKS, and anybody else who wants to sexualize our nation's children!!!!

Very rarely, mostly when two TRUE CHRISTIANS are united in a TRUE CHRISTIAN church.

Only those who go about the proper religious RITES and CEREMONIES, can experience true love

Most will never know "love", but, false, perverted notions of what it means to "love" or "be loved"

She's a child. Young girls are not adults, and cannot "consent".

Liberal women are eternal children, therefore, liberal women can never give consent for sex, ever. It's always rape, when a liberal woman has sex. She's never an adult. She never takes responsibility for herself and her SIN, ever. That's what sets her apart, spiritually, from others.

LOL, you are a practitioner of SIN, and a promoter of SIN, as a liberal

Want to make a bet????

THEN YOU'RE BEING A HYPOCRITE!

You just said that sex outside of marriage is "not a problem". So why is commodification of sex a problem???

KNOW GOD

WHAT??????????????

Virginity is not important........TO LIBERALS LIKE YOU, I KNOW!!!

But, think if you ever had a family of your own one day, and a daughter............THEN YOU'D UNDERSTAND ME BETTER!

I know you DOUBT GOD.

But God's existence does not depend on YOUR faith or doubt in HIM. God is beyond your or I, or anyone. Whether you believe or not, in HIM, does NOT make a difference as to HIS existence.

You are egotistical. You believe that YOUR opinions, beliefs, matter in life. Well, they don't, objectively. Your opinion or belief, about the existence of planets beyond our solar system, does not make a difference as to their existence. But they're out there, aren't they? So is GOD!!!

 

But humanity will always be animals. Sin is just an invention.

Not at all. All these things can be found outside of marriage - even in a brothel.

There is no responsibility in life to create a family. If you want to have consensual sex, you are entirely free to do so.

But humans are animals. Why should the differences, in the form of social inventions, be considered important?

I have many morals. I'm a libertarian, not a liberal. I am not an atheist either.

Alright. I'll take that as a complement.

So everything fun is a sin? You must live an awfully boring life.

There are multiple purposes to sex, and all of them, such as pleasure, mateship etc, should not be subject simply to socially bound pro-creation.

Good. So you will let your daughter exercise freedom over her own person when she reaches the age of consent, yes?

 

Oh, I didn't know you were a SLUT.

And males can never be "virgins". So no, I am not a "virgin". Only females can be virgins. DO YOU KNOW BASIC ANATOMY? Have you ever looked in a mirror after taking a shower????? Males have penises. Females have vaginas. Explain to me how a penis can be penetrated..... explain to me how a penis has a hymen???

Obviously, men can never be virgins, ever. Only young females can be, or nuns.

Why should I "tolerate" YOUR SINS??????

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH........so you are a FALSE CHRISTIAN???????

You want to put your SINS, your sexual MISTAKES IN LIFE, on my shoulders, as if I were CHRIST??????? NOW I GET IT!!!!!

I see what you want to do. You want to put all of YOUR EVIL, YOUR FAILURES, onto me? You want me to "tolerate", "burden myself" with the weight of your SIN?

I have sinned countless times. I thank GOD that HE brought me back to life, and I can now see the error of my ways, and how many people I have harmed with my lies.

WRONG

Men cannot be chaste or virgin. This is ONLY for girls and women. It is YOUR obligation and duty, to yourself, to remain chaste.

We both know how that worked out for you

Truth is worth it

I'm a "heretic", look up the word. All we care about.........is TRUTH. My ancestors were burned alive for speaking out against the Catholic Church and its CORRUPTION. Do you think I give a #### about what could happen to me? Truth is worth such sacrifices. More will follow in my footsteps, and speak FREELY, granted by the FIRST AMENDMENT OF OUR GREAT CONSTITUTION, until we are silenced by you SINNERS!!!

You don't worry about me and my soul, dear

You worry about the path you have led YOURS down........ because I have more worry about YOU, than you do about me!!!

YOU are the one who has much to worry about. If you are a slut, then what makes you think you can hide your disgrace from future suitors who take a liking to you? Can you EVER give away your virginity in MARRIAGE, now???? No, you can't

You have no great GIFT to give any potential husband......you have nothing to give a husband, due to your past mistakes.

No............you need to read your Bibles.

CHRIST, SON OF GOD, may "love everyone", yes.......there is some truth to this. But GOD, FATHER OF CHRIST........is not a "nice guy". He smites SINNERS, sends them to hellfires, destroys entire towns. He's not as merciful as you New Testament BLASPHEMERS believe HE is. You have been misled by zionist lies. Christ may be more "forgiving" than GOD. I don't know. That spiritual knowledge goes beyond me.

You should SEEK GOD and GO ASK HIM, NOT ME, if you want further answers.

 

Ok, but you just admitted some genuinely change their mind, and thus are not deceiving anyone.

Yes - SOME.

I had a sex with (what I assume was) a virgin. She was a brilliantly smart, and we had an interesting relationship. But it didnt last because she found another guy she preferred, and I entirely understood, and so we went our separate ways. Now I didnt treat her as a sex object. I really valued the time we spent together. Sex was a bonus. Nor was she a slut, because she chose her men with the intent of finding a fulfilling relationship. My experience disproves your ignorant nonsense.

Oh, so you're a "slut" yourself? Why the hypocrisy?

Again, no. I had plenty of sex with the girl I mentioned above. The only consequence was that a fair bit of fluid was exchanged. No children were born, nor was their 'greed' in the process.

But if she chooses to have sex with a man and she is of the age of consent, she has total freedom to have her brains (*)(*)(*)(*)ed out.

I can assure you, sex very often entails some form of love.

Nonsense.

I am only talking about girls at and past the age of consent, which I assume is 16 and above where you live. It is in Australia.

That makes no sense.

Not really. I'm a promoter of self-determination.

Yes.

Commodification of sex is not the same as sex outside of marriage. It can just as easily occur with all sex occurring within marriages.

Indeed, and see the total nonsense that he is.

Indeed. If anything it has a very positive outcomes - good exercise, for stress and psychological relaxation, for bonding with others, and for generally having a good time.

Why would it be important to anyone except extremely possessive people?

I just said, if I had a daughter I'd entirely support her throwing away her virginity as she so chose after the age of 16.

I totally agree, but his existence is irrelevant to his moral worth.

Yes they do, objectively.

Again, whether God does or doesnt exist neither troubles nor concerns me. I just said I doubted he exists. I also doubt I will die via obesity. Does that make sense?

 

She's a CHILD.............SHE CANNOT "CONSENT" to sex.

She does NOT understand the lies of young men. She will give in, foolishly, to these lies.........unless her FATHER cares and LOVES her, has pride in himself and her. This is why FATHERS are so important.

Hatred???

What makes you think I "hate" sinners?????

Sinners hate themselves more than I can "hate" them. It is YOUR SINS, which cause evil, unhappiness, depression, mental illnesses of almost all kinds....

What am I doing that is so harmful?????? JUDGING?????? Is judgment what you fear? Why do you fear JUDGMENT? Except by your guilty conscience.

LACK OF HUMILITY???

Have you ever FOLLOWED something greater than yourself??? You know nothing of humility. SEEK GOD!!!

Perhaps

 

My largest problem with this thread is that somehow, Heretic, is being set up as the Christian spokesmodel. I find that offensive, as well as, "Bible Belt" claims--like people have spent an enormous amount of time chatting up people in the Bible Belt.

****.

What you see on TV is the most sensationalized versions of humans or they wouldn't get air time. The atheists are all completely off the hook, gays you see on TV fall into stereotypes, Christians are bouffant wearing caricatures...the vast majority of people are normal with pretty similar beliefs across the board. We see what we want through the lens that we want. The two times I had to have help changing a flat it was a good old Bible Belt southern boy. I also saw a whole street full of Bible-belters in Louisiana get up on a Saturday morning at the crack of dawn to help a gay couple find their missing boxer dogs that ran away in the storm.

People are people.

I'm a Christian and I do not have this need to figure out what people are doing to each other sexually. Really its none of my business. I don't have a need to express what I'm doing sexually. I don't feel that I'm required to even know what anyone else is doing and that's just fine with me.

 

We should probably give Heretic a bit of space - I think he's about to implode...