Who Here Are Old Enough to Remember Back Alley Abortions?

who might a couple of those obscure feminists be?

 

I know...I know....Margaret Sanger!!! Queen of genocide in the U.S. Now thar's a great feminininininst.

 

I'm sure you would be better served by doing a little research yourself, or taking a Women Study class in College,

But to give you a place to start, here are a few names:

Margaret Cavendish, Duchess of Newcastle-upon-Tyne (17th c)
Mary Wollstonecraft (18th c)
Marion Reid (19th c)
Florence Nightingale (19th c)
Frances Power Cobbe & Margaret Fuller, (19th c)
Margaret Hall (19th c)
Virginia Woolf
Susan B. Anthony
Christabel Pankhurst (early 20th c)
Margaret Mackworth (20th c)
Rosie the Riveter (mid 20th c)
Betty Friedan (later in 20th c)

Will that do for a start?

 

LOL!!

I am SURE that these women appreciate the feminists for lifting them from the obscurity of history...since their accomplishments on their OWN were not sufficient to do so...

how VERY PATRONIZING to tell these women that they couldn't stand on their own. They didn't NEED you to raise them from obscurity. Nor did Madame Curie, or the thousands of women that walked by their husbands out west to settle this country. Nor did Queen Elizabeth 1, Cleopatra, Pocohantas, Queen Liliuokalani, Queen Boudicca, Emily Bronte, Annie Oakley...shall I go on??!

 

and Rosie the Riveter was a marketing ploy...not an individual.

and how funny that you chose women from the LATE 20th century...so she couldn't achieve her own notoriety without a boost from you even with all the women's studys in all those liberal colleges?

 

Maybe, just maybe, women who kill their babies deserve what they get

 

No, they dont.

 

Getting rid of legal abortion is EXACTLY that. It's part of why the courts decided as they did in Roe to begin with.

Thinking otherwise is like me telling you that my forcefully holding your head underwater is not leaving you with any other choice except drowning. Just breathe the water man, just breathe the water, you have choices!

 

I'm old enough to remember those days. And I was living in New York when New York became one of the first states to permit legal abortions. Clinics popped up like flowers in the springtime, and I had a summer job working for one. It was a land-office business, let me tell you. We couldn't hire doctors fast enough, people were calling from all over the country (but especially in the Deep South bible belt) and making appointments. People stood in lines. To reduce waiting lists and crowding, we jacked prices WAY up. But that didn't work; these girls were desperate enough to hock their whole future if that's what it took. I made a TON of money that summer, and life was good.

Later, after Wade, clinics opened up in every state, every large or medium sized city, hospitals offered them, insurance policies covered them, and prices dropped like rocks. Total abortions nationwide rose for a while, then about 20 years ago began to drop, and have dropped quite a bit. Availability of contraceptives is a large part of it, the increasing irrelevance of religious prohibition of contraception is a contributing factor. Ideally ALL parenthood would be planned, and all pregnancies would be celebrated. Alas, the same knuckle-draggers who foam at the mouth in brain-dead opposition to abortion, are the SAME people who insist that "just say no" is an effective contraceptive technique. And as a result, the Planned Parenthood organization is anathamized among the fundagelical idiots, and too often "contraception" means rolling the dice with crossed fingers until oops, pregnancy, and THEN panic. A trip to Planned Parenthood would have prevent that, of course, but PP is EVIL, doncha know.

Generally, in nations where abortion is freely available, it is seldom needed. The anti-abortion, anti-contraception, anti-sex education, anti-intelligence forces haven't infected those places yet. In the US, they are a disease.

 

What people probably remember isn't back alley abortions, but the rhetoric about back alley abortions. Row v Wade was so shaky constitutionally that many lib experts even admit it. States at the time were starting to change and if I remember correctly, there were two that had already made abortion legal. Extra constitutional remedies are not necessarily a good thing.

Before Roe v Wade girls got D&C's, same thing. Unfortunately, there is a local pizza joint called D&Cs.

 

Flintc

You were a killer living on blood money.

And PP is worshipped by pro-aborts and the immoral idiots that love the unborn slaughtered baby as their signature. You get off on it.

And where would this be, this country where women don't want abortions? Is it seldom needed in America? LMAO How many babies have been slaughtered since Roe? Over 50 million. Wow…..these women did not have to kill their babies. And today we live in a nation that embraces every person, every action…as acceptable. WE celebrate the deviant. Woman can live together with someone…man or woman…they can have babies while going to high school…even junior high.

We celebrate sex in the US. Nothing is taboo anymore. So why would women need abortions like you said?

 

Yes I would like that. It would lead to less abortions on the whole, so the net result would be good. The only difference is that now it's being done in a legal context.

I will, I'll make sure that my opposition to Roe vs. Wade is heard - and I'll fight to make sure the rights of the unborn children to reproduce (when they come of age) are preserved, despite abortionists' desire to take them away before they're even out of the womb.

 

You cannot take away a right that a fetus never had or is even capable of having.

That's like threatening to take away my driver's license when I'm 12.

 

And you have no right to deny women her rights…the right to abort at any time based on your sense of morality at the time. It is your opinion the fetus should not have rights. Others disagree with your opinion. You say science is not clear on when life starts in the womb…but you want to deny women a late term abortion based on what you think science says. LMAO

 

I still say, this issue is a woman's problem and a woman's decision. Peace Out.

 

Then you also like others are for late term abortion?

 

Which works for me since I'm not. However, you are. Maybe you should follow your own advice, or does that only apply to me?

I never said science isn't clear when life starts. A human being begins at conception. A human person does not. There is a huge distinction. Any "living" human is a living human being, which would include a body kept alive by life support that has had it's brain entirely removed. That's a living human body, but it's most certainly not a person. Being alive and being a person are not the same thing, or every single biologically alive part of a human being would also be considered a person. Should kidney's have rights? Ears? Noses? Without the brain and the higher function it makes possible, we are no different than any other biologically alive thing on this Earth. A fetus does not possess this higher brain function, including memory, personality, emotions, logic, etc etc. Therefore, it is a human but not a person. It didn't lose those things, it has never possessed them. It doesn't even have the capability of possessing them.

 

Now address the woman's rights to her body…

Your rant above is hypocritical….

 

How so? You're going to have to explain what it is I'm supposed to address.

 

Shouldn't women have a say on what happened to their bodies?

Who are you to tell them they can't have an abortion at any time?

Most pro-aborts….believe that abortion should be legal because of woman's bodily rights. Do you agree?

 

Absolutely I agree. Rights are not absolute however, and as I've explained countless times in the past, laws can and are limited all the time. If you don't believe me, try to buy a bazooka while citing your 2nd amendment right to own a weapon.

 

Or like justifying slavery just because blacks never had human rights prior to the emancipation proclamation.

 

yes

There ARE legal restrictions in the USA on abortion after the first trimester

No such thing as a "pro-abort"

 

Fine I guess so long as you get a good supply of coat hangers and there are no witnesses to the murder. Get the Meat Grinder attachment for you Kitchen Aide Mixer. Have at it, lady.

 

Exactly. It took that document to enact change, and to overturn court cases that decreed people of color were property. There is far less difference between a black man and a white man than there is between a fetus and a child that has been born, starting with the obvious, one has been born and one has not.