Part 3 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

Actually, the sun, as a star, was created with the other stars on the fourth day. Certain sects of Christianity, and Jiudism believe that Lucifer acted as the light source for the earth until then, and was bannished some time after. This is believed, by these sects, to be how he became known as the Morning Star.

 

Quote Posted by Stagnant:

And then they're still witness accounts. We get screwy, paranormal witness accounts all the time, and 99.999% of the time it's because those involved were either running a hoax, or drunk out of their minds, or some combination of the two. If you don't understand why the scientific evidence for evolution doesn't trump your "testimony", then you are suffering from a basic failure of understanding - either about how proof works, or how well evolution has been demonstrated.
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You are just spouting off emotional biased opinions. And how did you come up with that 99.999%?

Evolution is just an unproven theory and nothing more, it can never be as credible as first-hand witness accounts such as the Gospels.

 

None of the Gospels claim to be eyewitness accounts and Luke's author explicitly states that he isn't an eyewitness:

"Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled[a] among us, 2 just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word."

Stop spouting off false propaganda.

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And once again you ignore the next few verses where Genesis 1 explicitly states that God created them on the fourth day.

 

Quote Posted by Woody:

You really are beyond any help fundamentalist to the core huh? Sickening.
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Another invalid statement coming from you, a logical fallacy ad hominem type, an emotional outburst.

Why does it sickens you when you come in contact with a man of faith? If it sickens you I suggest you not come to this thread, no pun intended but like they say if you can't handle the heat get out of the kitchen.

 

Quote Posted by Stagnant:

Nobody. Nobody believes everything in the Holy Bible. It's riddled with contradictions and outright falsehoods.
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Your statement is a logical fallacy of the argument from omniscience type. You are telling me that of the 2 to 3 billion practicing Christians none of us believe everything in the Holy Bible?

Did you survey everyone of us?

In your biased opinion it is riddled with contradictions and outright falsehoods because of your non-belief and misconceptions of Scripture. You are in the dark...come into the light and be enlightened!

 

Umm wrong again..strawman argument in your edit. go back and reread the entire paragraph. clearly i pointed outa crazy theory which was we came from aliens to show there is more physical evidence of that than of your beliefs. again you believe in witches but not science. evolution is proven. it can be seen in fossil records and our human species. you ignored my earlier post. have you had your wisdom teeth removed?

 

One is left to wonder who was there to witness this amazing and unbelievable creation event....pretty sure that even your own book explains no one had been taken from Mud ball to Human yet?

 

Well unless the mods ban me from this thread sorry gonna stay right here.

The pot should not call the kettle black without looking in the mirror first.

Why is it that Christianity is not accepted worldwide?

 

You cannot split light and dark. And its done twice in the same chapter, why?

In the Beginning
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

So how exactly did a literal day occur? No sun moon or stars. In common sense terms no literal day occured.

So now we move to this:

6 And God said, "Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water." 7 So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the expanse "sky." And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

Well now we have 2 days passed with no sun moon or stars.

9 And God said, "Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear." And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground "land," and the gathered waters he called "seas." And God saw that it was good.

11 Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds." And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

This verse your god needs a science lesson. Plants and trees cannot live without the Sun.

Now we have 3 days passed with no sun moon or stars! Literally possible? No!

14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth." And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

Now here on the 4th day we see sun moon and stars. Big problem! They were made for the purpose of giving light to the earth and marking "seasons, days, and years". Not only did three days go by before the existence of the sun, but now here we have a little contradiction in the (myth) the story itself, a major error. The sun is created to mark seasons, days, and years. How did or were any literal days marked before the existence of the sun? Not so much as one literal day could have existed or gone by before the existence of the sun, which according to the same chapter was created (or made) to mark days.


Your creation theory was blown to hell the minute they discovered the Sun was the center of the universe and not the other way around! Still other problems exist:

Genesis 1, taken literally, describes a layer of water above the stars. there is no scientific evidence for a layer of water above the stars, nor can we imagine how there might be.

 

I guess you are just a plain misinformed individual or anti Christian.

 

So....by your definition (please correct me if I am wrong)....anyone who is not informed of, or following Christianity is an atheist?

 

It is confirm absolute distortion to proof your argument.
1. You claim I don't believe in science when from the very beginning I have use science to confirm the Bible.
2. You don't believe in witches I guess all the witches association and groups are all none existence, that is what I called denial,denial to facts.
3. You claim evolution has been proven with fossils so where is the fossil that show human evolve from ape or better yet show me your ancestors DNA on which ape species you evolve from, if you can do that as I said I will dress in a monkey suite and yell "ung-gawa!" if not you dress up like Tarzan and yell "AHAAAA...AAAHHAAA!", ok, very fair I become an ape and you become a human.
4. And the reason you can't move on is because the strawman is in you.

 

There are many places in the Bible where metaphor and symbolic language are used. In such cases the meaning is unclear to a modern audience and so the passage is not meant to be taken literally. The first paragraph of John is a good example of this.

Compounding this problem of inerrancy is that the original wording has been changed over time in many places, interpolation, addition, omission. This also makes literal interpretation tenuous.

What then to make of this passage.

Did Jesus mean that the stars would really? fall from the sky during the lifetime of those he was speaking to ? or was that part an addition by an over imaginative writer who thought the world was going to end/ Jesus was going to come down an Judge the world, that the rapture was going to happen in his lifetime?




I do this to show why it should not be taken as inerrant.

I do not insist upon a literal interpretation because

 

I'm still waiting for you to reply to my post about a flood and how you are contradicting your Bible with what you say.

 

WanRen said: Because Christians do not worship king of the Jews, we worship Jesus Christ the Son of God.
*****But he was born KING of the JEWS.
Aren’t we all children of God?

WanREn: Because it was God's words not the Jews. Jesus Christ is no ancient king he is the Son of God the messiah to save all humanity including you.
*****How exactly do you know that it was God’s words.
The Jewish Philosopher Baruch Spinoza said that whatever the Jew
thought he claimed God said.
And there is this more recent:
"We Jews regard our race as superior to all humanity, and look forward not to our ultimate union with other races but our final triumph over them."
- Goldwin Smith, Jewish professor of modern history (sic), Oxford University 1981

*****Why exactly do we need saving from anything?
and Why did your God demand Blood sacrifices?
Killing your own son is about as sick as you can get.
Your dogma in that regard is sick and twisted in itself.

Ohzone: Another group saw a great opportunity to use and control those pesky pagan gentiles. By way of deception they have done war upon you and you gobbled it up like fools.
WanRen: These is how evil this world is too many evil people that is why we need Jesus Christ.
*****I think you missed the point - It was these particular Jews that created and spread this religion for control of the rest of the world. And they are still at it.
"The Bolshevik Revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish planning and Jewish dissatisfaction. Our plan is to have a New World Order. What worked so wonderfully in Russia is going to become reality for the whole world."
- The American Hebrew, September 10, 1920

WanRen: It is free to pray, only humans charge a fee for everything.
*****The church extracts a fee/offering for their special prayers.

Ohzone: If you spoke against them they killed you and confiscated your property.
WanRen You are talking about the extremist, the communist, the Islamist, the dictators, tyrants and autocrats not the true Christians.(*)
*****No, I am talking about the Church policies. It was the Jew Tomás de(*)Torquemada
who was in charge of the Inquisition. You really should study Christian History.

You should read Vatican Billions by Avro Manhattan. It is a free download. http://archive.org/details/TheVaticanBillions

I think you should also check this one:
http://www.beyond-the-pale.org.uk/satan1.htm
It will show you a truth you don’t want to know.

 

It is confirm absolute distortion to proof your argument.
1. You claim I don't believe in science when from the very beginning I have use science to confirm the Bible.
2. You don't believe in witches I guess all the witches association and groups are all none existence, that is what I called denial,denial to facts.
3. You claim evolution has been proven with fossils so where is the fossil that show human evolve from ape or better yet show me your ancestors DNA on which ape species you evolve from, if you can do that as I said I will dress in a monkey suite and yell "ung-gawa!" if not you dress up like Tarzan and yell "AHAAAA...AAAHHAAA!", ok, very fair I become an ape and you become a human.
4. And the reason you can't move on is because the strawman is in you.

As it turns out humans are not from apes, apes are a distinct species of their own. Scientist are now saying that humans and apes probably came from the same ancestor which is called "Hominoidea" and from this ancestor to split into apes and humans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape

Check out the chart humans are charted separate from the apes.
Hominoidea =
1. humans (genus Homo)
2. chimpanzees (genus Pan) gorillas (genus Gorilla) orangutans (genus Pongo) gibbons (family Hylobatidae) + apes

It would seem humans and apes came from similar ancestors but evolve separately.
I guess, in large extend I am correct, humans did not evolve from apes.

 

There were so many flood questions from so many ppl, yours might have got drown out, please re post your question and I will surely answer. Thank you.

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...regarding-christianity-47.html#post1062327963

There you are, friend.

 

Apes are not a Species, they are a taxonomic Family to which we belong to.

Nobody said that we did evolve from apes. YOU said that.

 

Jesus was mock, and proclaim king of the Jews not born king of the Jews "My kingdom is not of this world" those are the words of Jesus Christ.

Because Jesus and the Apsotles clearly said so and it is written in the Bible. Goldwin Smith is entitle to his opinion about the Jews, the fact of the matter we are all equal in the eyes of God.

Our soul need to be save so that the gates of heaven can be reopen to us all. God did not demand any human blood sacrifice that is why He himself came down from heaven so that He himself can be sacrifice that is how much God care for us that He is willing to die for us. Dying for your chidlren is the greatest demonstration a father's love.

Christians gave up everything, their earthly belongings and most of all their lives, they have nothing to gain only eternal slavation in heaven.

They are the works of individuals with personal agendas and they will exploite and use everything in their reach to acheive their ambition and that include exploiting Christianity. Christians have gave up their lives what have they to gain, nothing earthly only heavenly.

The Inquisition was the only thing standing in between mob rule and barbarism that was a time of chaos and lawlessness and only the church has the respect, education to bring some sanity to a Europe that has gone crazy with their fear from Muslim invaders, deseases, civil unrest and social disorder. Yes I have read the Church History and the Inquisition introduce what we now know as common or civil laws.

 

Really? How do you know a jesus said it? Got to love this reasoning:

 

There comes a time when the hole you are digging....blocks all light and makes it likely you will put the shovel into your own foot.


It seems likely we are watching the darkness encroach.

 

In some folks world, God.

 

Or they're both right or both wrong. I believe the Jews, Gods chosen, side with the muslims on this one.

 

No, they can't be both right or both wrong when I gave you examples of the differences...can't you understand what you read?...lol

One is right while the other is wrong...period! I have faith that the Christian side is right because of our Lord Savior Jesus Christ, who paid for the sins of mankind by sacrificing Himself and shedding His sinless blood on the cross.