Part 6 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

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  1. AlphaOmega

    AlphaOmega Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Actually my logic and perspective is less narrow than yours since Im not bound by a book other men wrote to control me. My perspective and logic tells me to never blindly follow another human being without asking questions. I ask questions, if the answer makes sense I will follow, if I get stonewalled I dismiss the person as someone who I will listen to as they are unable to answer my questions with a cogent answer and therefore not of enough perspective or logic for me to follow.
    For example, you religious folk (and you are religious folk if you follow a religion) cant even agree on the context of thou shall not kill or thou shall not murder....lol you guys cant even agree on what that means.
     
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    No. Genesis states god ended the lives of the 99.9% not satan. Is the bible conflicted on this? Your view doesnt match the written text.
     
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    So you don't believe in studying history? That's rather self-shackling.
     
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    Different translation and understanding = different bibles. The edition #1 may have been good, but edition 2905 is not the same.
    If God's original, inspired, inerrant words were still around and used, we wouldn't have 100's of versions of christianity, judaism, and muslims to talk about the same God. And hinduism, buddahism, and all the other isms would change as well.
    So sorry. I still am not going to go by your opinion.

    Say it all you want. You are still going to be wrong. And I see no effort on your part to prove you are right.
     
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    If God is always the same today, tomorrow, and forever.
    Why did he change and give man a new covenant after he wiped out the earth in the flood?
    Why did he change and give man another new covenant with the birth of Jesus?


    Why did his creation become so wicked, he wiped everything off the face of the earth? Except for 8 sinners and whatever kind could fit on a boat.
     
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    So, all those people needed killing, like in To Kill a Mockingbird.
     
  7. dairyair

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    ......Some critics may not accept this explanation and it is not without its problems.

    "The theory that Luke really gives us the family tree of Mary rather than of Joseph is improbable. The theory with least difficulties is that Matthew gives the descendants of David down the royal line (i.e. who was heir to the throne at any given time), but Luke gives the particular line to which Joseph belonged.4

    The Bible should be interpreted in the context of its literary style, culture, and history. Breaking up genealogies into male and female representations was acceptable in the ancient Near East culture since it was often impolite to speak of women without proper conditions being met: male presence, etc. Therefore, one genealogy might be of Mary and the other of Joseph--even though both mention Joseph. In other words, the Mary geneaology was counted "in" Joseph and under his headship......


    Your own proof, your link, right in its explanation, says, " "might be of Mary....."

    Might, not proof, not concrete, that this is the lineage of the savior of mankind. One every single human being on earth has to follow. "MIGHT"????
    Seriously?????
     
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    Who made the rain fall from the sky?
    Who stopped the rain from falling from the sky?
    Who said it will rain for 40 days and 40 nights?
     
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    The Bible said God ended 99.9% of wicked people, wicked people that is = to the Satan.
    The Bible is not conflicted it is very clear;
    Genesis 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

    The reason you said the Bible is in conflict and that God kill 99.9% of people is because you are reading a fake bible.
     
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    There are many false bibles that make all kinds of false claims. Many translation and understanding of the Bible base on one account.

    Free will and free choice. God would not want us to worship or love Him by force.
    I am not here to convince you to accept my opinion I am only here to share the truth.

    I am not over exerting or going over board to prove something that is right and true, I am only interested in sharing that truth the truth that you seem to be dodging on and working hard to disprove no one can succeed to disprove the truth.
     
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    That's not what the Bible says in countless passages. A lot of people got zapped because they didn't believe. It doesn't get any more forceful than that.
     
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    They reconciled the matter on the website.
    So its not that their was a savior, its the claims about Him that you have the problem with, right?
    So His geneology is really irrelevant. So what would be enough "proof" for you?
     
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    That is according to your fake bible, according to the One True The Bible those people got zapped because they were wicked and evil it does not get any more evident than that and many people will continue to distort the truth to defend wickedness and evil or are just being misled and ill-inform.

    Genesis 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

    "Forgive them for they know not what they do"
     
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    Good you agree again that one can't be sure they are following the right path.


    You completely missed my point. Your response does not address the original inspired word.

    Then why do you only give opinions? Or is your opinion the truth? I don't think so.


    I have pointed out from you links to claims you've made where they don't even know what is truth. They use words like maybe, probably, could be. That is not truth, that is speculation and opinion.
    Read your links through sometime. It will help.
     
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    Not in the link you provided.

    We don't know if there was a savior if the claims are false. He may not have fulfilled the prophecies and he is still to come. As the Jews still believe today. You know, God's chosen!!!

    It is not irrelevant, as that is one of the truths, possibly the 1st, that could help to say if he really was/is the christ.
     
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    Quote Posted by Redalgo on pg. 24 #231 of Part 3

    If I may direct aquestion toward those who are familiar with Scripture, I would kindly ask: if the God of the Christian Bible exists, and is in reality just as He gets described in Scripture, what does He do with agnostics when they die?
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    Since an agnostic is a person that doesn't know if God exists or not, it follows that they do not accept Jesus Christ as their Lord Savior, thus according to Scripture they will be sent to hell for all eternity.

    We are all sinners, no matter what label you put on yourself, and so the agnostic who is a sinner must pay for his/her sins since they reject the sin debt payment that Jesus Christ made for them.
     
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    Well I am reading your bible and I agree it is "fake". You cant even admit according to your bible that god ended the lives of people on earth even though according to your bible he did.
     
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    That is why you should follow the truth not distorted truth.

    It was address, Mary and Joseph are both descendant from David from Abraham and from Adam while Jesus Christ born of Mary and fathered by God. You seem to be confuse by treating Joseph and Mary as from different lineage even though you mention that the Bible clearly stated they are both from David and from Abraham, the issue is you can't accept that.

    My opinion is base on the truth of the Bible while yours is not.

    Those links are opinions and they all point to one end that Jesus Christ was born of Mary father by God and Joseph is the foster human father. The Bible is very clear and it is those including yours opinion that distant from the truth of what the Bible said while other interpretation are zero in on the Bible true meaning.
     
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    I really doubt you are reading the True and The Bible clearly you are reading a fake bible that is why you continue to ignore this passage;

    Genesis 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

    See you continue to ignore and deny that God ended the lives the 99.9% of wicked and evil people.
    Fortunately the Bible is well written that distortion are really very difficult.
    Eisenhower knew that wicked and evil people will deny the horrors of WWII so like the Bible writers Eisenhower ordered all those present to write everything down and take many photos so that those wicked and evil people will have no room or excuse to deny the truth.
     
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    Give me the correct bible to read. I will immediately read from Genesis to see what else it says, that way we are quoting from the exact same source. You left out the part of who actually ended the lives of the humans. IF I read your bible am I going to find that God physically ended those lives?
     
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    Do you think that Christians should believe everything in the Bible without question? Is it ok to question the reality of some of the stories, or is that a sin to question the Bible. Is it a sin to say that a lot of the bible is incorrect (particularly the old testament, but also the new testament with things like Revelations and some of the things that Jesus supposedly said)?

    Also, do you believe in an eternal Hell? So if an atheist is a good person their whole life, loves everybody, and does their best to provide for society, but they don't get saved, will they suffer for an eternity in Hell? Do you think it is "just" for ANYBODY to suffer for an eternity in Hell?

    Lastly, do you think people should fear God? If God loves us, why do we need to fear him, can't we just respect him? Should we fear the Devil? Another question is why does God seem to let the Devil do his dirty work, like with Job? If God wanted to test him, couldn't he have just tested him himself, why not just kill Jobs family, destroy his crops, and make him sick on his own rather than just give the Devil free range to destroy his life?

    Sorry for all the questions...just curious what you think.
     
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    as I've asked before, what would be enough proof? Knowing what is said about it, and the evidence, and in some cases lack of evidence, what will be enough for you? And suppose through all your research, you come to the conclusion that Jesus is who scripture says He is, what happens to your life then?
     
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    Here start with this I have been posting this Biblical phrase to you several times that you continue to ignore Genesis 6: Genesis 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. No where in the True Bible is it written that God wiped out 99.9% of good people but you continue to insist that 99.9% of good people were punish by God you continue to ignore and deny that the Bible clearly state that God wiped out the wicked and evil people.

    So me in your false bible where it is written that God wiped out 99.9% of good people, please.
    Here is THE True Bible "The New Jerusalem Bible". :pray:
    http://www.catholic.org/bible/
     
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    We should believe everything in the Bible and ask question about it.

    It is okay to ask questions it is not a sin to ask question about the Bible. God wants us to accept Him from our free will with proper intelligiance.

    It is not a sin it is how ever distortion to falsely claim about what the Bible is not saying. It is a sin to intentionally bare false witness or lie about the Bible.

    Yes.

    As long as they are good and live a Christian life of righteousness, charity, benevolent and virteousness they will be save and will not suffer eternity in hell.

    Not any ANYBODY only the wicked and evil will suffer in eternity in hell.

    No, God is not to be fear. The people should fear Satan.

    WE don't need to fear Him that is not what God wants us, respect yes, believe yes, love yes. We should fear the Devil's hell and not be afraid to stand up against the Devil's wickedness. Devil does his own dirty work not God.

    God wasn't testing Job, God was giving Satan the benefit of the doubt that Job is a good example of true love for God that no amount of suffering or earthly richeness is the reason to love and worship God it is the pure spirit and soul that make one truly love God. No amount of temptation from Satan will make Job curse God no amount of sufferings or hardship will Job curse God.

    I know this questions are not for me, but I share my answers.
     
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    I can provide 50 verse references where it tells us that fear of the Lord is our task and the beginning of understanding.

    If God gave someone permission to kill everyone you love, and they did, and then gave you new replacements, and when you asked why He did that He told you it's none of your business, would you be ok with that? Honestly?
    That's exactly what He did with Job.
     
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