Part 6 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

Quote Posted by GraspingforPeace on pg. 26 #257 of Part 3

I've came back to point out that this is just flat out wrong, again. Every field of science has rejected a world wide flood. The only people still pretending that there is a discussion going on are creationists.
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Sorry but I must point out it is a false statement to say, "Every field of science has rejected a world wide flood."

Lastly aren't you participating in this discussion concerning the Great World Wide Flood? and so I must point out another false statement by you when you say, "The only people still pretending that there is a discussion going on are creationists."

 

But it is accurate to say that the only people who say that there actually was a world wide flood are young Earth creationists. There is no scientific evidence for such a thing.

 

You provide no support for your contention that he has made a false statement. Your "say so" just isn't cutting it, you know what I mean?

 

Originally Posted by Wan Ren

The Bible brought the truth, anti Bible will extremely argue against it ignoring all facts. Facts have already supported a great flood 4500 years ago with evidence of artefacts, geophysical and geographical evidences the Bible is clear it happen 4500 years ago, science is still determining if it was a world wide flood or localise calamity. Many biblical sites have already been discovered such as the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, and the walls of the city Jericho.

We accept the Bible base on faith and facts.

Quote Posted by dairyair on pg. 26 #259 of Part 3 in response to Wan Ren's quote above.

You don't even have christians, cept 1, coming and saying you are correct. Are there only 2 christians in this entire forum?
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All truly devout Christians believe everything written in the Scriptures, after all the Holy Bible is the Word of God and God does not lie.

Can you boast to anyone that you have never lied in your entire existence?...that's ok you do
not need to answer...cause I already know the answer...it is NO.

 

Quote Posted by Giftedone on pg. 27 #261 of Part 3

The Bible dates the flood from 2000-2400. Obviously we should then find that all civilization except for Noah and family, should end sometime during this time period.

Unfortunately for this theory, we have found numerous continuous civilizations before, throughout, and after this time period in Africa, Egypt, Mesopotamia, Europe, China, India, Australia, North and South America, and so on.
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Wrong...the Bible does not date the flood from 2000-2400. I assume you mean BC.

The Bible does not mention directly the date of the flood. Some experts have suggested the flood occurred as long ago as 4,990 BC.

Any civilizations had to come way after the Great Food of Noah. After all there were only 8 people left surviving on this earth and it had to take some time before the earth got repopulated again to start civilizations throughout the world.

 

Particularly with all of the inbreeding that had to have occurred.

Does anyone know what the minimum viable population is for humans?

 

Fiction can contain history as well......this jesus is mentioned in the bible and there is not a shred of evidence he ever lived.

You been harping on this great flood for months and still have not produced anything but biblical conjecture. But I do recall now why I stop posting here.

 

Of course there is evidence that our Lord Savior Jesus Christ lived...it's just that you are in denial of it.

The day you are going to be judged by Him is the day you are out of excuses....or are you still going to try to make an excuse for yourself into why you didn't believe in Him when He confronts you on Judgment Day?...it is going to be too late buddy!

 

I know I have ask this before and going to regret asking it again "but where's your proof?"

Give me the name of a dead person that has been judged by him.

Let's see, judgement day started in 46 AD and has been going on ever since, hmmmm some one is getting the shaft here.

No, I will tell you when it's going to be to late. The day the (*)(*)(*)(*) hits the fan and your all on your knees praying to this invisible creation that you created and you die anyway. You so wholeheartedly believe in this but why do christians die just like everyone else? To get to a heaven no one has ever seen? If you really want to do some good put some energy into something thats real and not created to scare the hell out of people because they do accept an invisible god man that no one has ever seen!

 

Quote Posted by Giftedone on pg. 29 #281 of Part 3

The historical, archaeological and geological fact is that there was no global flood at any time in the past 5000 years that wiped out every civilization and all animals on the planet. (except for Noah, family and animal friends)
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You are grossly in error when you claim it as fact that there was no such Great Flood. You can only theorize that there was no such Great Flood.

To claim it is fact is to be dishonest.

 

You can't prove a negative.
You can't prove that there wasn't a universal flood, or that there never was a Santa Claus.
but there is absolutely no evidence for either one.

 

Well then tell me why the pyramids were never underwater? Tell me why the mummies did not float out to sea? Tell me why the Egyptians never make mention of any great flood? Tell me why there is not a gap in Egyptian civilization? Egypt has never not been populated either before or after this so called great flood. One look at Egyptian history blows your great flood bs right out the back of your fantasy ark!

 

As I have said many times before, the Great Flood happened well before any civilizations such as the Egyptian civilization ever existed...capiche?

 

There is absolutely no evidence that the great flood ever happened at all. The flood story was an allegorical tale, used to make a point. It was never meant to be taken as history.

 

Quote Posted by Giftedone on pg. 29 #281 of Part 3

When the ice melted after the last ice age there were many cities that were submerged under water as folks like to live on the coastline.

This has nothing to do with the topic except for the fact that the Biblical myth of a Global flood probably had its basis in some big local flood.

The historical, archaeological and geological fact is that there was no global flood at any time in the past 5000 years that wiped out every civilization and all animals on the planet. (except for Noah, family and animal friends)
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It is so dishonest of you to be claiming facts. There are no facts that the Global Flood mentioned in the Bible had its basis in some big local flood.

Nor can you or anyone else claim as fact that there was no global flood at any time in the past 5,000 years, to do so would be dishonest.

The Bible makes it vividly clear that it was a Global Flood. Tell me what don't you understand in the following Scripture that makes you stubbornly interpret the passage to mean a big local flood?

"For forty days the floodwaters grew deeper, covering the ground and lifting the boat high above the earth. As the waters rose higher and higher above the ground, the boat floated safely on the surface. Finally, the water covered even the highest mountains on the earth, rising more than twenty-two feet above the highest peaks. All the living things on earth died--birds, domestic animals, wild animals, small animals that scurry along the ground, and all the people. Everything that breathed and lived on dry land land died. God wiped out every living thing on earth---people, livestock, small animals that scurry along the ground, and the birds of the sky. All were destroyed. The only people who survived were Noah and those with him in the boat. And the floodwaters covered the earth for 150 days." ---Genesis 7:17-24 NLT

 

Correction: Everything that breathed and lived on dry land died.....

 

Well at least you didn't try to offer up any proof of the obvious lie just posted.

 

Quote Posted by Giftedone on pg. 29 #283 of Part 3

Another interesting facet of the flood story is that after the flood Noah lived another 400 years. According to the Bible timeline he still would have been alive during the time of Abraham

Every soul living on the planet during that time would be celebrating this amazing individual who was everyone was descended. Noah was great great great great ... grandfather to every living human on the planet and everyone would know this.

There would have been celebrations every year on Noah's birthday, and good God, his funeral would have been attended by every King on the planet.

There were many civilizations around at this time, many of which were named in the Bible. All would have known Noah.
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First off, Noah lived another 350 yrs. after the Great Flood to be exact. And you're right that Noah would have still been alive when Abraham was around.

When Noah died, Abraham was approx. 58 yrs. old. The Bible does not say if they ever knew each other or met. So unlike you I will not resort to all kinds of wild speculations as to what should have occurred or been.

Lastly to say that after 350 yrs. from the time of the Great Flood that many civilizations would be around and that everyone would know that Noah was the great great great great grandfather to every living human on the planet is just unrealistic.

You're talking like they had access to know instantaneously what's going around in the world like we do today. They had no land line or cell phones, the daily TV news reports, newspaper outlets, personal computers, etc. during those ancient days. Everything was by word of mouth to them and so news traveled very very slowly.

But because today we have all those things besides the Holy Bible pretty much the whole world now knows that we are all descendants from Noah and his family.

But of course non-believers such as yourself will deny we are all descendants of Noah and his family and everything else that is written in Scripture.

 

Why do Xtians believe the new testament is the 'word of god'?

 

Now you're being exact?
How long from abraham to noah? Be exact? Oh wait, about 58 yrs old. In just 2 generations we went for EXACT to about?
Who was the "pharaoh", be exact?(MOSES)
How old is the earth, be exact?
OR else, it is all your opinion. Or an opinion you think is exact.

 

Can anyone top WOW? in reference to this post!

 

If Jesus was God , why he killed by people ? : ))) How a God could be killed ?

 

On floods, there are 3 in our (Greek) mythology

1st of Ogigis (Ωγύγο&#962 . Platon in "Laws" writes that this happen 10.000 years before his time and it was the larger of all . In some texts it is claimed that the flood left Athens without a king till the arrival of Kekropas (1600bc) .

2nd of Defkalion . This one is almost identical with the Jewish version , main source of the myth is Apollodoros 's Vivliothiki ( library ) written around 1st centiry BC

3rd Dardanos . This flood created the Aegean sea , main source is Dionisios of Allicarnasos , Dardanos was the grandfather of Troas who left Arcadia for the Aegean and the Asia Minor, Troas built Troy .

 

According to da bible, Jesus's god 'entity' didn't die. He only allowed his fleshy vessel to be killed.

Which, doesn't sound like much of a personal sacrifice if he knew he could heal his own body.

 

If the kangaroos had to be saved from a universal flood, how did they get back across the ocean to Australia after being let out of the ark?