Part 6 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

Obviously you don't know too much about the Holy Bible. I was being exact in stating that Noah lived another 350 yrs. after the Great Flood. That comes from Scripture and not based on my opinion. Here is a passage in Scripture stating Noah lived another 350 yrs. after the Great Flood.

"Noah lived another 350 years after the great flood. He lived 950 years, and then he died." Genesis 9:28-29 NLT

 

I will never understand why people dismiss being scourged and suffocated as not counting as a sacrifice.

It's like this .. I believe that I would live after death too and if I were to sacrifice my life for you, say you needed my liver or heart (whatever) and It would save your life and I would die,that is the sacrifice. If God rose me from the dead in a few days would the sacrifice lose it's value ?

 

If I was Jesus, with the power of god, I could let my fleshy body take a nasty scourging without feeling any pain... and just fake it for dramatic affect.

 

If Jesus was still wiggling on the cross that would be impressive.

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So you think you will be "saved" by your works?

 

I believe repentance is the only way of being "born again." Yes, being a Christian means that you are helping others and you want to help others, otherwise you might want to check your faith.

 

I think that would be disingenuous which is why I doubt that to be the case.

 

Quote Posted by Woody on pg. 31 #303 of Part 3

Yeah. Tell that to the Egyptians since they mention no flood and the pyramids show no signs of having ever been under. Since they were constructed long before your flood. That babble verse is great but it proves nothing.....
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First, it is true that the pyramids show no signs of having ever been under water...I'll give you that point.

The Great Flood was very destructive. Researchers point out that the entire surface of the earth was radically changed. The surface of every continent was destroyed and new mountains formed. Thousands of feet of mud and sand were dumped on every continent, burying and fossilizing creatures and plants. Nothing manmade could survive such a catastrophe.

Second, the pyramids are built on the fossil-bearing rock layers from the Flood of Noah’s day. Clearly, the Great Flood had to predate a pyramid built on top of the Flood layers.

Third, the Hebrew word translated “Egypt” is Mizraim. Mizraim was Noah’s grandson, born to Ham after the Flood. So Mizraim’s descendants could not have built the Great Pyramid of Egypt (Mizraim) until after the Flood, and for that matter, after the events at the Tower of Babel that caused Mizraim’s family to move to the region of the Nile River.

With all this evidence, the pyramids are clearly post-Great Flood.

 

Researchers?

There is no physical evidence that there ever was a universal flood. None, nada, zip, zero. It's an allegorical tale about a man who listened to the prophets and survived, and that's all it is.

 

You are another one that is not well versed in the Scriptures, you are like your brother dairyair...lol

The Great Flood is not an allegorical tale. Furthermore you are also wrong in saying that Noah listened to the prophets and survived.

Before you become a critic of the Holy Bible you should at least read what it says.

Noah listened directly to God since he was a righteous man and had close fellowship with God and survived.

Scripture tells us, "Now God saw that the earth had become corrupt and filled with violence. God observed all this corruption in the world, for everyone was corrupt. So God said to Noah, "I have decided to destroy all living creatures, for they have filled the earth with violence. Yes, I will wipe them all out along with the earth! Build a large boat from cypress wood and waterproof it with tar, inside and out." Genesis 6:11-14 NLT

If you have time flyflicker why don't you read the whole true story of the Great Flood during the days of Noah.

 

The Noah and flood story could refer to a certain time period in Jewish history. http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/israeljudaea/a/BabylonianExile.htm

The story could have been used as a mnemonic device. It's similar to the technique used in Sirach chapter 44-50 that recounts the characters of the Old Testament. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Sirach%2044-50&version=CEB

 

How does Noah's story of salvation by works compare to Jesus' claim that a person can be saved by faith?

 

I'm sure it's a great story, and that I got a small part of it wrong: Noah listened to God, and not to the prophets. It's still an allegorical tale, no different from the ants and the grasshopper. The difference is that no one is expected to believe that a real grasshopper actually wanted the ants to take him in for the winter. In real life, the grasshopper would be a part of the food the ants were gathering, and grasshoppers die off in winter after having laid their eggs. No one has to think a real talking fox tried to get some grapes that were out of reach to understand the concept of sour grapes. There's nothing wrong with an allegorical tale until you try to make it historical fact.

 

Quote Posted by Woody on pg. 31 #303 of Part 3

So how do you explain people living in Egypt long before and after your flood? I mean it was suppose to have wiped out the whole earth. How does a country continually be inhabited if it was wiped out by a flood? Cannot (*)(*)(*)(*) your way out of this one....
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I already explained it on pg. 51 #507 of this thread that the pyramids are clearly post-Great Flood.

As I pointed out in my explanation on pg. 51 the pyramids are built on the fossil-bearing rock layers from the Flood of Noah’s day. Clearly, the Flood had to predate a pyramid built on top of the Flood layers.

Are you understanding this or are you going ignore this piece of evidence and continue your denial of the Great Flood that occurred during the days of Noah?

 

Quote Posted by GraspingforPeace on pg. 31 #308 of Part 3

Don't all prophets "live on" hence how Moses and Elijah were speaking with Jesus...
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When I referred to Jesus as having "lived on" I meant that after His death He resurrected from the dead three days later and He is the only one that has ever resurrected from the dead. He reappeared to His disciples, thus they are the witnesses to His resurrection from the dead.

Although we Christians believe Moses and Elijah are living on, they did not resurrect from the dead as the way Jesus did.

 

Quote Posted by Woody on pg. 31 #309 of Part 3

Where are the bones? You made the claim now show us where they are? As far as that goes your jesus could have ended up on a garbage heap in the street or in the Graveyard of the Condemned in an unmarked grave. Yeah thats right it was common practice to toss worthless bodies out the dogs.
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I don't know where the bones of Muhammad are lying, all I know is that his bones lie dormant in the ground somewhere. He did not resurrect from the dead as the way our Lord Savior Jesus Christ did.

Many view Muhammad as a false prophet, whereas Jesus is viewed by many as God in the human flesh when He was living among the human race some 2,000 yrs. ago.

 

Quote Posted by Akhlut on pg. 32 #312 of Part 3

The whole point of Islam is that Muhammad was simply a man who was delivering the message of YHWH/Allah, so Muhammad being dead and mouldering in the earth is not a strike against Islam as far as that goes.
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No, Muhammad was not delivering the message of God because he was a false prophet.

Below is two short simple proofs that Muhammad was a false prophet.

"But any prophet who falsely claims to speak in my name or who speaks in the name of another god must die." Deuteronomy 18:20 NLT

"I have fabricated things against God and have imputed to Him words which He has not spoken." ---Muhammad (Al-Tabari 6:111)

So needless to say there is a big strike against Islam. Looks like you haven't done your homework.

 

Quote Posted by Akhlut on pg. 32 #310 of Part 3

Causing suffering is evil, causing pleasure is good. If YHWH were as good as you say, YHWH would be only too happy to bestow infinite pleasure upon us.
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Here on earth all the suffering is a result of mankind's sinful nature. We have only ourselves to blame and it is not our Creator's fault for all the misery that plagues mankind.

Our Lord will bestow infinite happiness and well being for anyone who wants it, for anyone who believes in Him, for anyone who has accepted His only begotten Son Jesus Christ as their Lord Savior will attain it.

So while we live here on earth which we all know is temporary, it is here where we choose or not choose to be with our Creator Almighty God!

 

Thats odd I do not see Muslims on here having to prove he existed.

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No proof of that.

He did'nt? No proof this jesus ever resurrected either so I guess they are both in the same boat.

Bones of the dead lay dormant all over the world....

 

So you're such a smart guy but 2 billion people is idiot : )))

 

Quote Posted by Colonel K on pg. 32 #314 of Part 3

Why does a child die every three seconds, from starvation or fouled water?
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Sad as this might be there are many factors as to why this happens. One of these factors is the result of corruption by man, again we can say this falls under the sinful nature of mankind.

 

That is your sentiment and not mine.

 

There's no actual independent evidence that the Mohammed character ever existed.

 

There's no actual independent evidence that the Jesus character ever existed, either.

 

Lazarus, what about him?

 

Lazarus didn't resurrect from the dead on his own power. It was the power of Jesus that brought Lazarus back to life, so there in itself is the difference.

Furthermore Lazarus died again a natural death and did not resurrect a 2nd time.