Ron Paul simple did not get elected because the elite did not want him .deal with it.

1; The only bad part of Obamacare is the mandate and that was Mitt Romney, Obama wanted a public option.

2; Blaming Obama for Fast and Furious is stupid. Obama does not personally oversee the BATFE. They are ran on a state level. Blame the governor of Arizona, since he was the one who authorized the operation.

3; What corruption do you mean? Can you point out any specific situations where Obama has been corrupt.

 

You ignoring the IRS scandal on purpose or on accident?
You ignoring the coverup on Benghazi gate, who did what when.
You are ignoring the coverup on Fast & Furious.
All of which fall under the definition of corruption.

 

Again, fast and furious was an operation ran at the state level, nor federal. Blame the state of Arizona.

Republicans have given no proof that Obama had prior knowledge of the IRS

Benghazi is more the fault of people in the state department, who did not act. The president does not overseas all matters of state. And even if the president COULD oversea all state matters, Republicans should not be bashing Obama for Benghazi while giving Bush a pass on doing nothing to prevent the 9/11 attacks when he was given intel on the attacks over 6 months prior to 9/11. He was told by both the CIA and FBI that there was intel of possible attacks by Islamic extremists, involving planes, and with the WTC, Pentagon, Camp, David, the White House, and the Sears Tower as possible targets. Bush chose to ignore the intel. If Obama is to blame for all the deaths at Benghazi, when he was not told of the attacks, or even the request for additional support, until after the attacks, then Bush has to carry far more blame for everyone who was killed on 9/11 when he actually knew that an attack could happen and CHOSE to do nothing.

 

Blame Eric Holder for Fast and Furious, at least his part. And as being directly below Obama, Obama as well. Obama did say "the buck stops here" well then take (*)(*)(*)(*)ing responsibility.

http://www.thirdage.com/news/eric-h...edge-of-fast-and-furious-operation_10-04-2011
I want full transparancy. Obama needs to force his people to release everything on this so we know who knew what when. Failing to force his people to release such documentation makes it Obama's fault.

So what. He's still responsible for what goes on there. He's responsible for Holder not prosecuting those in the IRS for what they have done. He's responsible for trying to sweep it under the carpet.

Again we go to responsibility. It was Obama's people, Obama's responsibility. He does over see the rules that are forbiding Holder from releasing all the information from what happened. He is responsible for hiding the witnesses from neutral parties so they can't be properly debriefed and questioned on their direct knowledge. He is responsible for trying to hide all the people and the documentation from those seeking justice. That makes him responsible for the whole thing after the fact. He should've been transparent and let things fall where they may and cleared up the whole mess instead of trying to cover it up.

We aren't arguing about Bush so you didn't need to bring him up in an attempt to derail the argument. and I the voter have every right in the world to question Obama's bull(*)(*)(*)(*) regardless of whether or not I held Bush to the same standard. I did, but it would be besides the point if I didn't. You don't excuse one bad act by quoting a previous bad act caused by someone else. So that squashes your red herring.

 

what a joke, ron paul got a little over 10% of the vote in the primaries and lost in every state

romney got over 50% of the vote in the primaries and nearly 70% in ron paul's home state

face it, no matter how you look at it, ron paul lost miserably, again

the people obviously don't want a nut case for president

what of yours was seized or searched?

i'll bet nobody has searched or seized anything of his

unless he's a terrorist

the corruption is being perpetrated by the gop fabricating and obstructing

just like you fabricated the story about the french

 

OK, first let me say this very slowly and very clearly.

The BATF is a Federal agency. It is not a State agency. The Governors of the 57 states have almost zero input into any such operations, other then making a request to the Federal level for assistance.

And yes, the President does indeed oversee the BATF, because that organization falls under the Department of Justice. And the boss of the Department at this time happens to be Attorney General Eric Holder.

Now I am going to say this very clearly. While most of OF&F did indeed take place from the Phoenix and Tucson field offices, those offices are not under state control.

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We at one time had a President who I think made some of the most boneheaded decisions ever (and he also made some damned good ones as well). However, I respect President Truman because he had a simple sign on his desk, which is now famous:



And do you want to know something? I could really not care less if the President knew about these situations or not. What I detest is this game playing of nobody accepting responsibility for anything. I am sick to death of hearing the administration saying "Phony Scandal".

Well, if the scandal is so phony, then why has the President already spoken up on all of these and said that they will not happen again? That is admitting that there were problems, so how could it be phony?

I generally do not blame the President directly for what happens under his watch. I can blame his appointing bad people into the positions, but not him personally. But what I do look to them to do is respond appropriately. And this is where I see this administration failing.

 

Why not blame congress, since they are the ones who actually gave Eric Holder the job, not Obama.

 

Actually, Ru Paul is a very confused individual. I wouldn't be surprised if he spoke at the RNC one day.

 

the ignorant posts continue.yeah they didnt want ron paul in thats WHY all his events were packed sold out to the masses where both romney and obamas campaine events were not even half full and they had to move all the sudiences down for the cameras to make it look like they were packing them as a poster proved in a thread back then with pics.and i can bring back that thread to proves it as well if you like? hee hee.

miserable fail.

 

greast rebutall to the facts,I have proved throughout this whole thread how we are in a police state,you ignored and did not read them.

 

Lets see,we dont have free speech here in america.havent had for decades now.we get beat up by cops,women even,they even kick people out of wheelchairs for protesting PEACEFULLY and our dictater president Obamination PRAISES them for their gestapo methods,sounds like nazi germany to me and the suppression of totarian rule russins went through for decades till the late 1980's when communism collapsed..

 

Yet you are free to post as you wish. /quandry

 

feel free to post whatever you like.

this is a free country

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just shows you have no clue what a police state is.

 

A police state is any nation that is not wise enough to accept Ru Paul as it's lord and savior. Is that not obvious?

Ru Paul to his minions:



Ru Paul to the rest of is:

 

all you've done is shown that you don't understand what constitutes proof

 

Rand Paul will pick up some political swagger with his opposition to the NSA's spying activities.
That will translate to votes.
These votes will be tough enough not to be swayed by Media, Inc., a product of the rich.
The vote on the NSA could well become a litmus test for a majority of us.

Chrissy, You Blew It On The Security Issue.
Stay in New Jersey with your hand out for my Tax dollars to rebuild your Atlantic shoreline.
Maybe it shouldn't be rebuilt. A bad investment, maybe. Sinking shoreline or rising ocean.
Like rebuilding a town that gets flooded over and over. At sometime you have to admit,
not a good place to rebuild. And not with my tax dollar.

Moi
Populist

 

The next keynote speaker at the RNC...

 

Watching the spectacle of Rand and Chris pulling each other's hair and screeching, invoking the spirit of Ru Paul is not inappropriate. I'd prefer Ronald Reagan's Eleventh Commandment, "Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican." There are real issues underneath, but such a public display calls both men into question, which is what Democrats want.

 

that's funny considering what ron paul said about reagan and others in the party

 

It doesn't matter who gets elected since none of them care about what the majority of its citizens want from a leader. They get elected to do the bidding of the rich people that funded them so they could get elected. Until the public wake up to this fact and realize who behind the scenes is actually running this country into the ground, nothing will ever be done to stop it.

 

that really doesn't make sense in regards to the last election

romney's platform was 'don't tax the rich'

obama's was 'tax the rich'

 

Ron Paul's freedom of speech is no less than Reagan's was. The question is always if that freedom is being used to good effect.

 

who said anything about ron paul's freedom of speech?

 

thats right,do the cowardly thing,post b.s without addressing whats been put in forth of you,typical debating skills of the government apologists.