The Silent War Against The White Race.

ACTUALLY, affirmative action DESTROYS White people's lives, like it has destroyed mine. God, how many times do I have to repost all the things that have happened to me over the past 50 years, due to AA, every time some knucklehead comes in here and posts something as idiotic as this ? Do I really have to re-post, and re-post, and re-post about the graduate school assistantship I lost ? (which cancelled out an entire lifelong career). Do I really have to re-post about the hundreds of jobs I was denied ?
Did the affirmative action discrimination against the White New Haven, CT firefighters have "no effect" on them ? Well, If that were the case, the US Supreme Court would not have ruled in their favor, now would it ? Are these people really this ignorant ? Sheeeeeeshh !!

As for Asians, you don't even know that Asians are even worse VICTIMS of AA discrimination than Whites are, and there have been big battles waged by Asians against AA because of it.

 

That's the worst thing you could do. Creating a stigma that blacks have an inferior culture would do nothing but make them embittered. It would worsen race relations, and set them back even further. Changing a culture is a very very difficult (almost impossible) thing to do. Attempting to change a black person's culture as an outsider, particularly when you are white, is only going to make them hate you more, and make you hate them more. Of course, you have no problem with that, since you are a racist, and dont really have an issue with hating others based on their race.

your medical school data also shows that asians are accepted at lower rates than whites. As I said, if schools were completely race blind, fewer whites and blacks would attend good schools. But there would be a lot more asians.

 

The great thing about AA, is that it's a zero sum policy. It does not destroy anyone's life, on net. For every life it destroys, it prevents another life from being destroyed. You clearly have a very personal vendetta against AA. But your personal bias isn't really an argument for or against AA, because no NET lives are destroyed. As an aside--graduate school is a losing career option--you just made some bad choices.

As for asians, they certainly are "victims" of AA. But my point is that white people should not see race-blinded admissions as a way to improve their lot. Because there are many race conscious admissions policies that benefit whites at the expense of asians. And if we got rid of all race-based admission policies, many white students would actually be replaced by asians.

So look at it this way--even if we got rid of AA, you still might not have gotten that assistantship. That spot might have gone to a more highly qualified asian.

 

Asians are victims of Affirmative Action.

http://www.publicasian.com/study-asian-americans-hurt-most-by-affirmative-action-in-education/

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/04/e...issue-for-asian-americans.html?pagewanted=all

 

They do have an inferior culture. Any culture that tolerates such high amounts of dysfunction needs to change. If they don't want to change it, society should pressure them to change it. Let them get bitter. Let them hate whites more. That will only highlight what needs to be highlighted. The difference, this time, is that society and its media won't look the other way.

Yes, Asians are more adversely affected by AA than whites. That's what they get for being so successful, how dare they. Don't they realize this is Marxism and they need to be just as successful as everyone else?

 

i know. race-based admissions policies benefit whites and blacks at the expense of asians.

 

What in the world are you thinking ? NET ? NET ? Are you crazy ? We're talking about the lives of human beings, and you're playing some kind of numbers game ? Please don't ever talk to me again. You'renot qualified to talk to me.

Dude, I don't care who will be replaced by whom. We need to take racist discrimination out of college admissions, financial aid, job hiring, promotions, etc., and stop racists like you from pushing it.

Affirmative action does NOT benefit Whites. You are lying. What a preposterous statement. Pheeeeww!! (high-pitched whistle)

 

Nah, AA is still needed because there is a lot of right wing racists who despise blacks and hispanics, and would refuse to give them a fair chance at a job.

 

Except that once your make blacks embittered towards whites and whites embittered towards blacks, not only would their culture not change, but it would just increase the amount of racism on both sides. Of course, as a racist, you would probably welcome that.

except that whites are not adversely affected by AA in school admissions

 

This is blatantly absurd, we've given you facts and testimonies and you STILL haven't moved an inch. It comes to the inevitable conclusion that: You may never move an inch, EVER.

Which makes discussing with you pointless.

http://alumni.stanford.edu/get/page/magazine/article/?article_id=43448

This article neatly sums up what my Nationalist side has said through 44 pages. If Intellectual think-tankism isn't enough for you, nothing ever will be.

 

So we're just being held hostage by them? Don't call out their obvious dysfunctional culture and its deadly aftermath, because it'll just make them angrier?

I've already shown this is not true. Could you maybe support your arguments with something other than your say-so?

 

It's all a numbers game. If you take away AA, you have just as many people whose lives are destroyed. Instead of white peoples lives being destroyed, you will have black peoples lives being destroyed, in a 1 to 1 ratio. So you cannot use "the destroying of lives" as an argument for or against AA.

well, as you said before--you clearly do care who will be replaced by whom, because you were replaced by a black person due to AA. What I'm saying is that even without AA, you may still not get the job, because you would be replaced by an asian person instead. You may have been simply been less qualified for the job.

AA does not benefit whites. But many race based admissions policies (ie legacy) do benefit whites. You can see it quite obviously in the statistics. Under-qualified whites are accepted over asians into the nation's top schools.

 

Why would we "call out" their culture? It's not going to help them. It's only gonna make everyone more racist.

OK, well lets look at the few elite schools that do have race-blind admissions policies. UC-Berkeley 27 percent white. Caltech - 35 percent white. Stuyvesant High School (an elite HS in NYC) - 24 percent white. Get it? There are many policies in our nation's schools that take under-qualified whites at the expense of higher qualified asians.

 

Take away AA and the people who deserve to get into med school will get into med school, regardless of their race. If they have better grades and test scores than their competitors, they gain entrance. The others don't. That will result in better doctors in the long run, which benefits society in obvious ways. I'd rather have better doctors, wouldn't you? I guess not, since you're in favor of lesser qualified people being admitted over better qualified people, simply because of race. You were saying something about racists?

 

We would call out their culture because it's causing dysfunction in their communities and is harming society. I disagree that it won't help them. I suspect you are saying that simply because you like blacks being the perpetual victims constantly asking for redress of grievances. It's helpful to left-wing politics.

You think Berkeley, one of the most liberal schools in the country, is "race-blind"? Maybe not officially, but I'd love to see some of their criteria in evaluating personal testimonies in the admissions process.

 

except that when you look at elite colleges which have tried race blind admissions, the proportion of white students has decreased, while the number of asians has skyrocketed. interesting huh?

 

History shows just how profoundly ignorant your post is.

 

Funny, how some people pretend as though this all happened 1000 years ago.

 

I really don't care about politics, left wing or otherwise. I'm just telling things as they are. And if you'd like to go up to a black person, and tell them to their face that their culture is inferior because it turns them into criminals and lazy individuals, I'd like to be there to see what happens...LOL. Will be hilarious, I am sure.

In california, they had proposition 209, which forbids the use of race as a criteria for admissions. And they found a clear decrease in white admissions. If you have evidence that they are not race blind, then you are free to sue them. But since you have no evidence, you are just making up crap. And what about Caltech? What about Stuyvesant High School? You're running out of options bud.

 

As the United States progresses from a mostly White demographic, to a minority demographic, the economy and the quality of life here will decline. I already see it happening. The entitlement society is taking hold, and our current government is completely willing to oblige.

 

Fear-mongers and naysayers are often pessimists. The nation will continue to have its ups and downs... and ultimately many more will understand and accept our diversity as a strength/blessing, not a curse.

 

History also isn't relevant with the here and now, do you think if we make proper social reforms, the KKK's going to come back? In fact, pure hilarity ensued a couple of days ago with the first ever meeting between these two groups:

http://nation.time.com/2013/09/04/heres-a-first-kkk-and-naacp-hold-a-meeting/

I rejected God's absurd notion that Asian-Americans are the ones suffering the most from AA, but I'll accept it relevant to this argument: How can you say that we'll "return to the past" when in fact, different minorities are being supposedly "persecuted"?

 

Oh, do you think he'll respond with violence? Because that would be totally surprising and wouldn't prove my point at all.

http://www.dailycal.org/2012/08/13/uc-files-friend-of-the-court-brief-in-support-of-race-based-admissions-policies/

So here we have the Jewish (surprise, surprise) President of Berkeley expressing his position on a case where a white student complained about being racially discriminated against in a Texas school. Another surprise, he is siding against the student.

Hmm, I wonder what these "numerous strategies" entail? We know they are designed to boost minority applications.

 

actually, the quality of life isn't really declining for everyone. If you're rich, there's never been a better time to be in the US of A. If you're not rich, however, then it sucks to be you. Well, according to conservatives, if you're not rich, it means you're lazy and useless. And so you deserve what you get.

 

"History" merely informs the nation of where we've been (why we're affected as we are), and also provides lessons as to what should be avoided; not repeated. I'd say that history is typically 'relevant' (in light of what I just shared).

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Great points!!