Palestinian murders IDF soldier in West Bank

I question whether a Palestinian even killed a soldier. I do not even accept the report as credible. I certainly am not celebrating an act of killing.

 

You cant use the law until you follow it yourself, and it wont be "occupied" for much longer, just for a few months more untill this dumb peace process is over and then you can keep what strip of land Israel will leave you and will annex the rest.

Aye, because we tore them a new ass when they tried and they have been b!tching about it ever since. doesnt make them right thou.

 

Everyone can deny, I can deny their is such a ppl called Palestinians at all, deny Europeans have any say in this area, I can deny everything and there is no way you can prove anything over this forum, you cant even prove you support the Palestinains if I accuse you of being a Zionist agent....

But you made your views clear and you do support murder for your cause, dont expect flowers from the other side, we know this filth and the way to deal with it.

 

This debate about justified killing versus murder is a very interesting one that has occurred before in many times and places in the modern world. The killer did have a semi-political motive but one that was polluted by family considerations, and he apparently did it on his own rather than acting as an agent of a group resisting the Israeli occupation of the West Bank. All in all, the evidence is that he acted in a personal capacity and thus regardless of the rights and wrongs of resisting the Israelis, you have to conclude his actions were murder.

 

Dont talk "legal" to me when you refuse a UN accepted member.

 

Had you bothered to read the international law instead of repeating the same lies over and over, you would have known that
those areas are not occupied territories according to the international law.

 

We should look at this one death in its proper perspective , view it as one fatality a part of the many others. The majority of Israeli killings have been of persons not participating in the hostilities when killed/civilians.

Total Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces In Gaza 4852 In WB 1854 In OPT 6706 In Israel 70

Palestinians killed by Israeli civilians In Gaza 4 In WB 46 In OPT 50 In Israel 3

Israeli civilians killed by Palestinians In Gaza 39 In WB 217 In OPT 256 In Israel 483

Israeli security force personnel killed by Palestinians In Gaza 106 In WB 147 In OPT 253 In Israel 91

http://www.btselem.org/statistics/fatalities/any/by-date-of-event

 

The territories situated between the Green Line (see paragraph 72 above) and the former eastern boundary of Palestine under the Mandate were occupied by Israel in 1967 during the armed conflict between Israel and Jordan. Under customary international law, these were therefore occupied territories in which Israel had the status of occupying Power. Subsequent events in these territories, as described in paragraphs 75 to 77 above, have done nothing to alter this situation. All these territories (including East Jerusalem) remain occupied territories and Israel has continued to have the status of occupying Power.

http://www.israellawresourcecenter....nion2003/studyguides/icj2003sglegalstatus.htm

According to the Highest international legal authority in our world, The International Court of Justice, Israel occupies East Jerusalem and the West Bank and Gaza.

 

That so called legal principle you assert does not exist. The West Bank is Occupied by Israel, nothing Palestinians have done or have not done changes that.

 

The legal principle is the existance of Israel on 67 lines that at best got an acknowledgment that "Israel exists" but doesnt have the right to, 67 war and the occupation happend in a time that even that feeble approval didnt exist, and for the record its not enough anymore, if they want a state they need to accept our rights.

 

So what can be done to come out of that dilemma? What can be done to end that suffering? Can those who were dispossessed by the occupier be compensated? Is there any solution possible which maintains the territorial status quo (the existence of the State of Israel) without constantly doing harm to others? Can't the Israelians admit that they broke and break international law and find a way to recompenstate those whose rights have been violated? Shouldn't that start with refraining to call those defending their own rights "murderers"?

 

Quoting some internet site does not make it true.
The Arabs in Palestine rejected the UN resolution of splitting the land into two states. The Jewish state and an Arab state.
In order for land to be considered occupied territory according to international law, it is required it belonged to a state.
Those areas did not belong to a state, therefore are not occupied territories according to international law.
The Arabs simply wanted the whole for themselves.
It was not enough for them that Jordan was given 70% of the land of Palestine.
It was not enough for them that the rest 30% was split 50/50.
They wanted all.
Now they have to face the consequences.

 

Sure, my Israeli children are waiting to get back their grate grate parent lands in Persia, Iraq, Russia, Slovenia and Hungary.
When do you expect to deliver them ?

Or do they need to go and "resist" those Persians, Iraqis, Russians, Slovalians and Hungarians and start some random killing there ?

 

Answer me this, why should I agree to withdraw from land my country men died for as defensive measure from continous Palestinian attacks while Hamas and other groups say they will never accept my existance and will always fight me ? why do I need to see them of equel rights when they refuse mine and invent vicous lies about me ? things were never better for us since we decided to take control over our own fate and you ask me to give that up because its the "right thing to do", this peace you suggest must be fair, they have no rights here more then I have, to say we dont belong here in diffrent words is a spit in the face to all of us.

 

I quoted the legal Opinion of The International Court Of Justice. International legal authorities tell the world Israel occupies East Jerusalem and the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYEjDR6Xpqo&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Here, we have a confirmation by a UN representative that Israel still occupies East Jerusalem and the WB and Gaza. UN Security Council Resolutions are cited for this proposition.

 

We dont mind free publicity.

 

It isn't anything to do with your rights and irony what, that an Israeli who denies Palestinian people basic human and civil rights should have the cheek to suggest they in some way give him rights. You took your 'rights'. You got your rights by taking away the rights of another people.

However when Palestinians say they cannot say Israel has a right to exist, they are talking of justice. What happened through British colonial rule and the establishment of the State of Israel lacked justice. Therefore it cannot be said to be right. That is why they accept that you are there now as a fact but they cannot say you have the right to be there. You got there by might is right not justice. You continue to live by might is right not justice.

 

If you mean the decleration of indipendance then it was the only logical thing to do when the mandate was over and no rule remained over the area, I dont see that as taking our rights, and in any case why didnt the Palestinians declare their own state according to the borders assigned to them? cause they wanted more ?

Fine....then I say its not fair we needed to wage war on those ppl and each and every man woman or child that died over it is on their hands for refusing a UN decision - thus we will never accept them as victims and deny they are entitiled to anything. we both need to swallow a frog or none will.

 

Many Jews are still being bribed by the Israeli government to leave places like Iran and come and live in the constantly being built settlements with promises of a great life. Way to go to back up the propaganda of how Iran are throwing the Jews out! However many have refused this bribe and continue to live in places like Iran where they are happy. Yet you want those that accepted the bribe, sold their own property in places like Iran, to be given this property back?

 

Do you realize you are using the law as you see fit ? the Israelis are subject to it but the Palestinians have "personal" reasons to deny it? we also have personal reasons that you deny, how distorted is that???

For the kind of "recognition' they offer Im willing to go for a cease fire, no land swaps or long term agreemnets with them.

 

If by bribe you mean they will get some money to help them start a new life in Israel - since they need to run and leave all their belongings in Iran - then you are correct, most of the times they leave more then they get but its better then living in a Muslim hostile country when everyone thinks you are a spy. the facts speak for themselves thou, the great vast of Jews that lived there did migrate and are an unsepratable part of Israel - you can never get them go back..., what little remaned behind I can imagine have an Iranian identity more then Jewish, their kin are most probebly Muslims as the comunitty there shrinks without immigration.

 

Free Man, Sherri Munnerlyn is saying the truth. Israeli and pro Israeli right or wrong supporters create a twisted version of the law to cover their intent. I bet you really did believe what you said was true but far from it. He has presented the position of International Law. This article goes into the situation in more depth. It takes a strong stomach to read.

http://www.jadaliyya.com/pages/index/8807/is-gaza-still-occupied-and-why-does-it-matter

If anyone other than Israel was acting like this, they would have had sanctions worse than Iran a long time ago.

 

No one had to "run". Jews have been living in Iran for thousands of years and are happy to stay there. Many Muslims in Iran have adopted some of the Jewish rituals. Those that are left there now are being effected by the hate mongering that Israel is propaganding about Iran. Israel is making the life of Jews living in Iran harder, perhaps, intentionally to encourage them to leave as well.

 

10...9....8.....7.... I am waiting for "Holocaust" to be brought up.

If not, I'll do it. The Germans compensated and still compensate Millions of people for injustice done in the past. Why can't Israel just financially compensate those they treated unlawfully so they can buy land wherever they want and live in peace? (Not having that resources does not count. That makes the one taking something a robber).