How to put an end to poverty

Prevent the poor from having so many children. We all know that the people who are poor tend to be the same group of people having too many children. As long as the poor keep churning out more offspring than society can handle, there will always be poverty.

Policies can be pursued to encourage the poor to not have so many children. Vasectomies and tubal ligations could be provided free of charge, in fact the government could even pay people to get sterilized.

Now, some of you progressives may argue that wealth is the way to decrease fertility rates. First of all, I vehemently disagree with that assertion, but even if it was true I believe it is still irrelevant. As soon as we make any progress improving the standard of living and lifting people out of poverty, we bring in more poverty from outside. More immigrants are let in from impoverished parts of the rest of the world, immigrants with high fertility rates. And so poverty, even in the developed countries, perpetuates itself.

If we didn't take in all those excess people, it would eventually force the impoverished overcrowded countries where these people came from to take action and begin compulsory sterilizations. In fact, why should my people have to get vasectomies because some other group of people are breeding out of control? Because this is eventually what's going to happen.

Now, going to back to an earlier point I made, progressives like to point to the correlation between poverty and high fertility rates. I believe that it is mainly the high fertility rates that are the cause of poverty, and not so much the other way around.

Even Libertarians should be able to recognize the government should have a role in curbing reproduction. Because if reproduction is uncontrolled, it will eventually result in uncontrolled population growth. The poverty, crime, and overcrowding that results will require people to have to give up more individual liberties.

 

Maybe we should do a skin-color test to see who gets to have children? These ideas have been proposed before. I just never thought I'd hear them from you.

 

I am not a supporter of abortion.

But I have seen the effects of overcrowding, and too many people moving in. It is not good, and I am very angry about it. Open space disappears, housing becomes unaffordable, the homes in the new developments are crammed together like sardines with scarcely any yard. Job opportunities start disappearing. On the entry level end, only the worst jobs are left. The career path to even mediocre skilled jobs becomes very long.

Forest gets cut down. Not just trees, but really old trees, hundreds of years old, really tall with thick huge trunks. Rolling open hills get leveled. Everywhere all around you. Things are no longer open, there is a solid row of houses blanketing every high space, and all the hill slopes are left steep. Creeks become full of dirty sewage run off.

Traffic becomes horrible, it is frustrating to get anywhere. No one wants to walk on the sidewalks because all the cars, noise, and exhaust fumes.

New neighborhoods have to be built to accommodate all the new people, but it costs a lot of money to have to build new buildings, so everything is built cheap, not like the nice old buildings with high ceilings and sturdy solid wood construction.

So something needs to be done. Otherwise I fear this is going to spread everywhere, and our descendants will only be able to enjoy a greatly diminished quality of life.

And if we don't do anything, how long will it be before we are forced to do something?
If we look at India, for example, the only reason they haven't been forced to implement sterilizations yet is because they have been able to dump their excess population onto other countries.

 

Our population is aging, we have gone below the replacement rate and only stupid people are breeding. Want the rest to start? Lower the tax burden which is higher then the parenting burden.

 

There are tens-of-millions of poor people with NO CHILDREN!!

 

were you drunk when you wrote this? Poor people already get free vasectomies and tubal ligations. It's covered under medicaid.
secondly, if we let in immigrants who aren't poor, who have job skills, they will take the jobs of Americans, and then you would complain about that. In reality, a higher fertility rate is not such a bad thing, particularly in an industrialized wealthy nation like the US. Wealthy nations tend to have low fertility rates, which leads to population contraction and economic stagnation. Many european countries are having issues with a low fertility rate, and they have to bring in immigrants to prevent the population from contracting. As a general rule, developed countries want higher fertility, not lower.

the government already does lots of stuff to curb reproduction. for example, contraceptive education and distribution programs, and funding of abortion, and other women's health services. Seems to me like you think it's OK for the government to force poor people to have an invasive surgery against their will. Yea, the government's not overstepping its role there! But somehow, it's not OK for the government to establish common-sense regulations on guns? Yea--that's a government takeover! LOL. something's not right here...

 

First line..."it's the poor people's fault". I knew it! Those darn poor people causing all of the mischief again! If only we could have only rich people...everything would be resolved.

 

poverty is relative. the poor in the US who are so often painted as victims have life a heck of a lot better than the poor in a great many places on earth.

 

Yep if they do not breed poverty will soon die out !


what a joke...

 

Well, if you compare those dying and starving in some small "brown" country abroad, you might have a point. Then again, the rich here, have it a lot better than many other rich people too.

Apples to apples.

I guess we should all be thankful though, that the rich "allow" us to work for them huh? I'm probably just ungrateful, I know.

 

But billions WITH THEM.

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The poor are consumers of wealth; the rich are producers of it.

 

Indeed. You ought to try my temporary home country of China...

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Well, there is some truth to the expression 'the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree.'

 

You could be rich, too. You just need to create something of value that people want. You will need people to work for you.

 

The producers of wealth are the rich? Not today. They're the takers. All the billionaires are doing better than they ever have been, IN HISTORY. Everybody else? Not so much.

It's asinine to think corporate raiders produce ANYTHING, except misery. Gimme a break, man, really.

 

Dude...everybody can't be rich. So, I should urinate on everybody else by partaking in this "system" of corporate smash and grab, and save my own hide, while Rome burns. That your point of view? Rome burned dude, and we haven't learned a damm thing, obviously. Nero is fiddling away, proudly and boldly.

Become a looter. Gee, that's just great. Thanks for the suggestion. That ought to help everybody in our country huh?

 

Everyone is doing better then they used to and the free market and corporations delivered it to them. Enjoy your corporate made computer in a house with corporate made materials and devices and furnishings while you think about it.

 

No, everybody is not "doing better". That's such a crock. Those that still produce anything worth having are already outsourced to India, or soon will be. The very wealthy are doing better and better though. That's a fact.

I make my own computers (that way, I don't get the sheet computers corporate profiteers try to pawn off on everybody). Corporations rule though. You're right. If only corporations were people, like they like to legally claim. THEY AREN'T.

 

Modern computers were developed first by German Aircraft Research Institute (Z3) and then by US Airforce (8800) so yeah enjoy your computer first developed with public money and then given to corporations so they can milk you .

 

Yeah, that IS the corporate way, no doubt. I wonder how long it will be before they seize the internet, and sell it back to us?

 

Who makes the parts you use in your computers?

Obama won't be in office forever. We will go back to prosperity again soon enough.

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You use a government computer then from now on. Government food and housing and etc...

 

God help us all when that happens.

Geez, the rich aren't doing supremely these days? I didn't realize that. I thought the billionaires were doing better than they ever have been. I was wrong? Please...expand.

Who makes the parts? Probably some slave child laborer abroad. That's the most profitable way for the big boys, isn't it?

 

The idea that corporations are contributing to the general well being is false , they only take without giving anything exploiting labor's surplus value.

We don't owe anything to the rich they owe everything to us .

 

Tough to make a profit with no labor but, they keep trying to do it anyway. Strange. I guess enslavement is undervalued.

 

What do you like best about Obama, how well the rich are doing, or how poorly everyone else is?

Who did you think was going to get the Obama free cash giveaway money? You, or his buddies at Solyndra?

He is probably a corporate kid though right? I agree, that kid should go back to child poverty and starvation like he was getting accustomed too before all the jobs moved in.

That is the path of every nation on their way to prosperity isn't it?

 

You don't need labor to trade hot air and other banking exotics
Bangladeshi workers locked into collapsing buildings for $14 a month are not slaves, they do it willingly !