How to put an end to poverty

Which is complaining that life isn't fair--which gets you where? Oh yeah, to the next Occupy rally. Nobody owes you anything, and until you realize that you will never be able to move out of your parents basement.

 

I started off with minimum wage too, when I was 15. The problem is corporations emulate the Walmart model, and want to pay EVERYBODY much, much less than they're worth. If you're forced to work for garbage wages when you're 30, 40, 50....why bother to work, at all? At least when you were 15, minimum wage actually have SOME purchasing power. Now? It's gas money back and forth to work. What's the point? There isn't one.

 

No, I just despise ultra rich, corporate raiders, and their minions, who strip mine society for their own personal benefit, and at the expense of everybody else. Actual rich people, who actually EARN what they have? I don't have a problem. Yeah, I know. I need to define "earn" now. I don't have a specific answer to that but, I can tell you what it ISN'T. Corporate racketeering, bloodsucking leeches who get the bulk of their wealth for outsourcing (CEO's), laying off somebody else, or who use the Walmart approach of "take everything now, as fast as you can, because you can" mentality. There's your parameters. You figure it out, if you like, and let me know what they are.

 

Ahhh..the "parent's basement" schtick. Haven't heard that one in several weeks now. I stay as anti-corporate as is possible friend. That's all you need to know about that issue. I do just fine without their monopolistic, leeching, outsourcing antics, thank you very much. My kid? I doubt there will be any world left for him with corporate jackoffs in charge of it all, as it is now. That pisses me off, and I don't mind expressing it.

 

People like cheap stuff. Nothing you can do about that. Hardly confined to Walmart.

 

Walmart was/is the model that every bloodsucking corporate entity tries to emulated though...that's why they're usually referenced first.

 

Start your own business and pay your workers whatever you want--there are lots of goods and services not provided by Walmart. Take a 50.1% interest in a corporation, and change their employment policies. I have no problem raising the minimum wage, but there is no point in funding education if we are going to have our entire economic model based on rewarding those who do the worst at the expense of those who do their best.

 

He didn't say it was life that was unfair.

People owe him respect for his rights, and just compensation if they abrogate them. Which they do.

Typical right-wing trash talk. Disgraceful.

 

There are no doubt more vicious and evil things a human being can do than to accuse those who oppose injustice of envy for those who profit by it. I just can't think of one off-hand.

 

How are his rights abrogated by rich people as you say, and specifically which rights?

The folly of you statement is most amusing.

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How is agreeing to give a guy a job an injustice?

 

And you didnt stay there the rest of your life? What law forced someone to pay you more, or did you just get job skills and a better job later?

 

You argue against yourself, except you don't realize it. "Those who do the worst at the expense of those who do their best". Look at your own words, and try to extract some meaning from them when you apply those words EQUALLY across the spectrum of all involved, if you can, and not just from your own perspective. be Apply that phrase universally, versus selectively. Maybe you'll get it...who knows?

Who do corporations "reward"? Well, we know CEO's get golden parachutes, and millions of dollars in bonuses when they GET FIRED. Pretty good gig, I know. What's that say to the worker that busts his rump and gets little to nothing for it? Think about it. Who else do corporations reward. They reward upper management with special perks, trips across the country, expense accounts, often company vehicles, and on and on and on. The worker? They get continual "threats" that if they don't produce more, work more, or otherwise give that "extra" effort, they'll be terminated, laid off, hours reduced, etc. It's not about workers "doing their best". It's about "how cheap can you work"? Can you be "available" any time we call on you, and any time we ask you to cater to us. What's it get you? Well, it gets that "manager" a nice bonus. You? The HOPE of a 2% raise (maybe) every other year. In the mean time, you jst get to keep "producing" those bonuses for your management, and hope you don't get laid off. Yeah, that's a wonderful economic model, for the fat cats. The working guy? Not so much.

The point here is, that your "reward" system is a bit.....skewed. It "rewards" only those that are already being pampered at the top. Your "reward" system is nothing more than a series of threats, ultimatums, and more threats. There is no "team" plan, just a "profit" plan for those at the top, AND, the minions that can successfully "play along". Thre is no reward system for the worker. Only threats, and sheet at the bottom that the fat cats waste.
Remember...the compnay owes you nothing. You owe them EVERYTHING, and you need to count your lucky stars that the profiteers are kind enough to allow you to make them as much profit as THEY can spend, and kiss the feet of the CEO, and their power base. Just keep quiet, keep working, or we'll outsouce you, downsize you, lay you off, or simply fire you. Just make sure you keep increasing production, and pretend you like it, or be "let go", AND, most importantly, don't you DARE complain about not seeing any of those "rewards" the big boys get. Shhhhhhh!!! Just keep showing up, no matter the cost to yourself, or your family.


Corporate "Walmart" strategy 101.

 

Mr Fraud, when you can:

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And you didnt stay there the rest of your life? What law forced someone to pay you more, or did you just get job skills and a better job later?

 

His right to liberty is abrogated by forcible removal of his freedom to use the natural resources he would otherwise be at liberty to use.

Non-logic, non-fact, non-argument noted.

How is makin' up stupid, dishonest $#!+ and attributing it to someone else an argument?

And btw, rich, greedy parasites do not give people jobs. They just hold opportunity to ransom:

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=317411&highlight=this+rich+create+jobs

 

In other words: Anarchy.

Non sequitur.

I've never been employed by a poor person.

 

The point is, Sir, that it costs much more than what a corporation today, is willing to pay, than what a 15 year old needs to live, eat, or wipe his own azz. Despite that, these empirical, corporate, tyrannical entities insist on paying the equivalence of what realistically amounts to a "paper route" that a 15 year old can't even live off of these days. My "purchasing power" at 15, was superior than what the "Walmart type" corporate workers are able to do at 30 today. At what point are you supposed to start making a living wage? 30? 35? 40? Apparently, that's what most corporate "Walmart" types believe. Meanwhile, CEO's are paid what, 500 (or is it 5000..I can't even keep track these days) times that of the average worker? Something wrong with that picture bud, and if you can't see that, I don't know what to say to you that would change your view. The wage the corporate entities are willing to pay, is far, FAR, below what any responsible person needs to simply survive, without sinking further and further into the ground, or what any job is actually "worth". Why should ANYBODY bust their hump for gas money, and be "available" WHENEVER the corporate bell comes calling? Nobody SHOULD, yet they still do...hence, the continued success of the corporate tyrant, and their agenda of strip mining society for the select few.

The "better jobs" have been outsourced, downsized, eliminated, or just plain merged with "other people's" new ADDITIONAL duties. Meanwhile, the profit for the fat cat, big dos at the top, keep going up, and up, and up, and up. There are more people in poverty TODAY than at any time in modern history in this country, and simultaneously, more billionaires, millionaires and other Wall Street vermin, than ever before. Again, there's something very wrong with that picture, IMO. (Hint: It ISN'T the poor, struggling, trying to simply survive, "worker's" fault either).

 

Many company "owners" claim they're not "rich" too. In fact, many rich, claim they're not rich, and yet, they have layers and layers of cash, power, and other excesses to do QUITE WELL.

The rich get richer and the poor get poorer? Whoever originally said that, sure knew what the EF they were talking about. Poor/average people are screwed beyond their ability to "work" their way out of it, through absolutely no fault of their own, and more of them are finally realizing it (I hope). Meanwhile, the fattest get even fatter. That's the reality the disconnected, wealth insulated corporate raider, don't have to face, nor will they be around to be held responsible for the carnage they created, but that the guy who has to actually "work for a living" has to confront daily. Their answer? Be like "Walmart". Take MORE. Grab MORE, for yourself, right now, and outsource everything else. "Screw tomorrow for everybody, so long as I got mine" right here, right now mentality (and I'll just take somebody elses pie to give to MY kids...just to be safe). It's a sick, corrupted racket...the "corporation". The DEATH of our society.

 

I'll take intelligent, self sufficient immigrants over stupid Americans, any day. As long as they wish to assimilate of course. Its true that the dumbest are having the most children, which leads to generations of low IQ morons. Idiocracy anyone? Hopefully, there will be enough smart ones among us to rule the rest=)

If the poor weren't having children, there would be less poor because they wouldn't have to stretch what little skills they have to take care of others. Extra burdens just makes your life harder.

Most fellow Jews I know are having 2 -3 kids, so there should be enough smart people to at least tell all the dumb ones what to do=)

 

You can thank corporate entities seeking "profit" for that little "bonus" called stupidity. "Stupidity" is all the corporate fat cats are willing to pay for, so that's all you get. It makes them more comfortable (in many ways).

 

Unless you engineered your own computer, those fat cats allow you to express yourself here daily, as insane as it all is=) Someone you're connecting to the internet too, which is controlled by fat cats. You want to not be reliant on them and punish them all, go live up in the mountains and cut yourself off from all technology, medicine, blah, blah, and put your money where your mouth is.

 

Excellent idea! I shall consider it. Thank you!

 

I see. So, you having a legal privilege of forcibly removing others' rights to use what nature provided to sustain themselves is "liberty," but others actually being at liberty thus to sustain themselves is "anarchy."

Somehow, I kinda figured it'd be something like that...

No, of course it isn't. You made up some stupid, dishonest $#!+ and attributed it to me, pretending that that constituted an argument. It didn't.

Now that's a non sequitur. Notice the difference between that and what I said.

 

Uh, just because it's controlled by fat cats doesn't mean they provided it. The fat cats also control the land, and they sure as hell didn't provide that. They just charge everyone else for using it.

 

I've never been employed by a poor person.

 

What did I misattribute to you?