Part 8 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

The child is God. God became human to personally be with us and He did it by going through the natural process of being born He did not just appear from no where. God has gave us a solid proof of His existence as Jesus Christ. Science is all about facts and yet they come up with all sorts of theories of human evolution and yet Jesus Christ who personally was with us they could not accept that. Why?

 

Christ is the Abrahamic God.
Muslims have created their own Abraham
Pharisees or Judaism have rejected Christ and historically they have rejected God many times that is why many times this is not the first time.

 

I will not deny your attempts to distort because that is what you are good at and the only way truth matter is to have distorters like you expose. So, firstly there is only One God not two as you claim. Secondly, Muslims do not worship Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ is the God of Abraham so they do not worship God of Abraham as you claim and finally that is the truth that you can not deny, but I know you will deny it even though you won't be able to provide any proof that Muslims worship Jesus Christ if you can provide proof that Muslims or Islam worship Jesus Christ I will kowtow to you 1000x and send you..... oh I forgot no betting so forget about me sending you $10,000 instead I will kiss you butt Is it a deal? You don't have to do anything for me just admit that Muslim do not worship Jesus Christ the Son of God the God of Abraham.

 

First of all you should not generalize all Jews. And for those who follow Judaism they know that there exist a conflict or contradiction because if as you claim they worship the God of Abraham and they have rejected Jesus Christ who happens to be the God of Abraham so who is it that they are worshiping then? They know trust me.

Yes, Jesus Christ is God of Abraham.

 

No, Christ is the son of the abrahamic god.

All three religions "created" their own Abraham.

Irrelevant. All three religions worship the same god of abraham

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The Muslim god is the god of Abraham. Same as the Christians and the jews

 

The Son of the Abrahamic God is God. The Son of God of the Abrahamic God that Judaism and Muslims rejected.

Only Muslims created their own Abraham.
Christianity follow the existing God that was reveal to Abraham the succession that Christian recognize from Abraham, Moses, David, and finally to Jesus Christ.
Judaism followed the same God of Christianity until they rejected Jesus Christ.

Very relevant to your question or to the question do Christians, Judaism and Islam worship the same God or God of Abraham. And clearly they don't as I said Islam created their own Abraham and reject Jesus Christ is God. Judaism accept the Old Testament but reject the New Testament thus they have rejected God the same way they have rejected God many times.

Proof it. As I said if you can produce any Muslim or proof that Muslims or Islam worship Jesus Christ I will worship you I am very confident that you will never provide any proof except your personal and delusional claim that they Muslims worship Jesus Christ.

 

It explains that humans are not apes and that the word Ape was use because of physical and anatomical similarities plus the lack of scientific term and also of arrogance. At the end of the day even if human brain is transplanted in a monkey or ape-gorilla those apes will not develop any human like intelligence because they do not have the human soul. It is the uniqueness of the human soul that makes human a human with intelligence not found in any living things.

Owen has been described by some as a malicious, dishonest and hateful individual. He has been described in one biography as being a "social experimenter with a penchant for sadism. Addicted to controversy and driven by arrogance and jealousy". Deborah Cadbury stated that Owen possessed an "almost fanatical egoism with a callous delight in savaging his critics." Indeed, an Oxford University professor once described Owen as "a damned liar. He lied for God and for malice".[23] Gideon Mantell claimed it was "a pity a man so talented should be so dastardly and envious".

For nearly a decade his work was directed mainly to the relationship of man to the apes. This led him directly into a clash with Richard Owen, a man widely disliked for his behaviour whilst also being admired for his capability. The struggle was to culminate in some severe defeats for Owen. Huxley's Croonian Lecture, delivered before the Royal Society in 1858 on The Theory of the Vertebrate Skull was the start. In this, he rejected Owen's theory that the bones of the skull and the spine were homologous, an opinion previously held by Goethe and Lorenz Oken.[61]

Alfred Russel Wallace OM FRS (8 January 1823 – 7 November 1913) was a British naturalist, explorer, geographer, anthropologist, and biologist. He is best known for independently conceiving the theory of evolution through natural selection; his paper on the subject was jointly published with some of Charles Darwin's writings in 1858.[1] This prompted Darwin to publish his own ideas in On the Origin of Species. Wallace did extensive fieldwork, first in the Amazon River basin and then in the Malay Archipelago, where he identified the faunal divide now termed the Wallace Line, which separates the Indonesian archipelago into two distinct parts: a western portion in which the animals are largely of Asian origin, and an eastern portion where the fauna reflect Australasia.

The word homo, the name of the biological genus to which humans belong, is Latin for "human". It was chosen originally by Carolus Linnaeus in his classification system. The word "human" is from the Latin humanus, the adjectival form of homo. The Latin "homo" derives from the Indo-European root *dhghem, or "earth".[18] Linnaeus and other scientists of his time also considered the great apes to be the closest relatives of humans based on morphological and anatomical similarities.

Apes are Old World anthropoid mammals, more specifically a clade of tailless catarrhine primates, belonging to the biological superfamily Hominoidea. The apes are native to Africa and South-east Asia. Apes are the largest primates and the orangutan, an ape, is the largest living arboreal animal. Hominoids are traditionally forest dwellers, although chimpanzees may range into savanna, and the extinct australopithecines were likely also savanna inhabitants, inferred from their morphology. Humans inhabit almost every terrestrial habitat.
Hominoidea contains two families of living (extant) species:
Hylobatidae consists of four genera and sixteen species of gibbon, including the lar gibbon and the siamang. They are commonly referred to as lesser apes.
Hominidae consists of orangutans, gorillas, chimpanzees, bonobos and humans.[1][2] Alternatively, the hominidae family are collectively described as the great apes.[3][4][5][6] There are two extant species in the orangutan genus (Pongo), two species in the gorilla genus, and a single extant species Homo sapiens in the human genus (Homo). Chimpanzees and bonobos are closely related to each other and they represent the two species in the genus Pan.
Members of the superfamily are called hominoids (not to be confused with the family of "hominids" - great apes, the subfamily of hominines, the tribe of "hominins" aka the human clade, or the subtribe of hominans).
Some or all hominoids are also called "apes". However, the term "ape" is used in several different senses. It has been used as a synonym for "monkey" or for any tailless primate with a humanlike appearance

 

Concerning Natural Law. If natural law is timeless, then how can God be Omnipotent? If you say God is omnipotent it seems to threaten the timelessness of natural law because he'd be in a position to change it. On the other hand, if you said that God does not have the power to change natural law that seems to undermine his omnipotence. If God is omnipotent, then he could change natural law, and therefore natural law isn't something binding. It's arbitrary, and doesn't exist. Of course, if it does exist, then God couldn't be Omnipotent which would place a limitation on God. What kind of God is limited?

 

For the complete lack of verifiable proofs, the general understanding in science that mythology is little more than imagined manmade history, and the unlikely hood of accuracy in the stories.

 

I realize you don't understand english well. I never claimed, nor will I claim, the muslims worship Jesus.
What I do claim is they worship the God of Abraham. Jesus was not born yet for Abraham to worship Jesus. And would not even know about Jesus.

You claim they invented/created their own abraham. A different abaraham that is father to Ishmael and Issac? I think you are full of it.
The bible also says abraham was to sacrifice his only son.

 

Is Jesus the Son of God, or God?
Was Jesus God, before he was born?

 

Quote Posted by OhZone on pg. 62 #615 of Part 3

Don’t you think that Christians are fools to give their lives for some promise of a “heaven” which may not exist?
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Well you know I could turn that question around and ask you, don't you think that non Christians are going to regret they did not give their lives for some promise of a "heaven" which may exist?

Believe me it is not a burden for Christians to have faith. We still live normal lives, we enjoy our lives, we thank the Lord for everything He has given us and we patiently await for the day that we will dwell with our Lord in paradise for all eternity.

Life on earth as we all know is temporary but it takes faith to believe that there is a much more rewarding life ahead in the eternity.

Our Lord Savior Jesus said, "Don't let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God, and trust also in me. There is more than enough room in my Father's home. If this were not so, would I have told you that I am going to prepare a place for you? When everything is ready, I will come and get you, so that you will always be with me where I am. And you know the way to where I am going."---John 14:1-4 NLT

 

You do know that a soul is not a biological concept, right? You can claim that humans are so different from other animals because they have a soul, but that certainly isn't a scientific argument.

Richard Owen disputed the theory of evolution, and as your own copy and paste says: " The struggle was to culminate in some severe defeats for Owen."

I'm not sure how this is relevant other than showing that other people than Darwin came up with the theory of evolution.

The phrases that I have bolded, underlined, and blown up in size are directly incompatible with your claim: "It explains that humans are not apes..."

You either are terribly illiterate or terribly malicious, I can't tell.

 

Quote Posted by GraspingforPeace on pg. 62 #614 of Part 3

Well, it's kind of a weird subject to discuss. We are apes so it doesn't really make sense to say that we evolved from apes. But, technically, everybody alive also evolved from "Homo Sapiens" as well even though we already call ourselves Homo Sapiens. Akhlut is correct in saying that we evolved from apes, just not modern apes.
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Well it's definitely weird for you to say, "We are apes so it doesn't really make sense to say that we evolved from apes."

Then you go on to say, "Akhlut is correct in saying that we evolved from apes, just not modern apes."

You are definitely confused, by making those statements because you have clearly contradicted yourself.

Let me give you some facts and notice that I don't contradict myself

Fact: Apes are animals

Fact: Humans are not animals

Fact: Humans are not apes

 

Yes that is why Greek gods, Romans, Egyptians, and Vikings were all consider as mythology and science that lack concrete proof are consider science fiction.

 

Quote Posted by OhZone on pg. 62 #615 of Part 3

What are our Souls (consciousness) being saved from?
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The believers will be saved from the punishment of their sins, since Jesus Christ paid the punishment, for all who believe in Him, by shedding His sinless blood on the cross.

 

It is really embarrassing for an English speaking person like you to have a poorer English than me. Of course you will never claim and at the same time you claim that Muslim worship the same God as Christians and Judaism that is why your English is so poor that you contradict yourself.

So now you claim that they worship "the" God of Abraham, in that case you are correct they all worship "the" God of Abraham but not the same God of Abraham. You should be more specific or else you will be accuse of distortion you should say that Muslims worship their God of Abraham while Christians and Judaism worship their God of Abraham that later Judaism will reject thus Judaism after the coming of Jesus Christ they worship their version of God of Abraham.

So the really God of Abraham is Jesus Christ not "the" God of Muslim Abraham or "the" God of Judaism Abraham.

I don't have to claim anything Muslims have already made all the claims they claim that Ishmael was the chosen son not Isaac even though Muslim quran did not mention any name while the Bible is very specific the name Isaac was mention, they claim that Abraham build the Kabaa, they claim Jesus Christ had a look a like and it was his look a like that was crucified, etc. etc.
I may think I am full of it bur for sure you are.

Jesus is the Son of God and God.
Yes, Jesus is God before, after and forever.
When God decided to come down to become human He was born as Jesus Christ

 

Yes I do know that human soul is not a biological concept that is why we humans are different and did not evolved from apes or Great Apes. Do you believe you have a soul or human soul? It is the soul that separates humans from none humans and that is a scientific argument or fact. Can a human brain transplanted into an animal make the animal become an intelligent creature like a human?

Owen and many others of early scientist struggle with their new discoveries and part of that struggle is not knowing what to term, name or called their new findings.

It is very relevant it proof that they are not sure that is why it is called THEORY or science fiction.

Notice that humans were not group together with chimpanzees this mean that humans did not evolved from chimpanzees. Compare to the diagrham that you have provided that indicates that humans evolved from chimpanzees. Here I will enlarge and bold it so you can read it too.
Hominidae consists of orangutans, gorillas, chimpanzees, bonobos and humans

Members of the superfamily are called hominoids (not to be confused with the family of "hominids" - great apes, the subfamily of hominines, the tribe of "hominins" aka the human clade, or the subtribe of hominans).

Some or all hominoids are also called "apes". However, the term "ape" is used in several different senses. It has been used as a synonym for "monkey" or for any tailless primate with a humanlike appearance

The term great ape was use just like the God-particle was use because they do not know the proper term and because scientist ignore the soul in determining human evolution their focus was entirely the physical aspect just because humans have anatomical and in some degree DNA similarities
with monkeys or apes doe snot make humans Apes in fact scientist still do not know who or what is this Great Ape that they claim and you believe is the single ancestor of humans and apes. Base on that simple argument why and who in their right mind accept that humans evolved from apes or from a Great Ape does this sound like science version of Adam and Eve or of a God base on their own concept or theory minus the word God?

I am neither, but you probably are both because you just can't accept simple logic, you can not accept scientific facts, theological facts and historical facts.

 

Yet....You have concrete proof for YOUR version, right?

 

Please restate the above in english. Or simplify as you go off on several tangents.

I believe the bible clearly states abraham was to sacrifice his only son? Yes?

OK. I thought he was to be Immanu el?

 

No

No, it isn't a scientific fact.

We can't even transplant a brain from one human body to another, so that is hardly an argument for a soul.

What are you talking about?

First off, who is not sure? And you still don't understand that a scientific theory isn't called a theory because we are unsure of things? Are you saying that all scientific theories are science fiction?

You are an ignorant fool if you are still going to repeat this lie even after I told you that you were misunderstanding the diagram.

You are ignorant of cladistics as well. Do you understand why humans are considered mammals and animals?

No, it wasn't.

Scientists came up with the term, what do you mean they don't know the proper term?

That's because the soul isn't a scientific concept.

Are you a robot who has been poorly programmed in English?

 

Yes I do have proof that Jesus Christ is no myth and that Christianity is not a mythology. How about you do you have any concrete proof that Greek, Romans and Viking religion are not mythologies?

 

I have already simplified it according to your English standard and level..

Nope that is what your bible or the Quran of Muslim said the Real Holy Bible said Abraham son Isaac not just any son but Isaac was to be sacrifice.

And who do you think Immanu el is?

Islam parallel universe they have everything the opposite of the Bible.

[video=youtube;29bSzbqZ3xE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29bSzbqZ3xE[/video]

 

That explain you believe you do not have a human soul and yet you believe you have some form of intelligence that is different from apes and monkey why do you think that is so what makes you more intelligent than monkeys and apes those apes and monkeys that have been proven to have preexisted humans by thousands of years don't you think that those apes would have develop intelligence before humans does?

According to you because you do not believe in a human soul that exist.

It is an argument for intelligence don't you agree? SCeintist argument why humans are smarter and intelligent than monkeys is because of the human brain so, transplant human brain to an ape and see if that ape can become human intelligent. Brain can not be transplanted than there is something wrong with your science.

Very simple early scientist do not know what to term or name their discoveries just like today's scientist do not know what to name the newly discover particle do they name it God-particle or Higgs boson? Do they name human ancestor the Great Ape or Great Human? They chose Great Ape.

Most theories are science fiction just like humans evolving from chimpanzees or humans do not have a soul.

If I am misunderstanding a false diagram than good I am lying because I refuse to accept that false diagram that shows humans evolved from chimpanzees.

Not as ignorant as you. Do you understand human soul??

Then why do people have problem with the God-particle? Why name it Higgs-boson is the particle a child of Mr. Higgs Boson or was he the creator?

Ape is not the proper term Homo or Homo sapiens, hominids, or hominins are the more accurate term not Ape.

Because science is afraid that they will have to agree with Christian scientist about the soul so they stay away from the soul even though they know what makes humans different from other creatures is the existence of the human soul.

Try understanding Parapsychology.

Robots-are those-who can not-understand-that humans-are not apes.
Are you- human or -a robot?

Here is a robot
[video=youtube;suQTesmwNVI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suQTesmwNVI[/video]

 

Of course I do not.....the implication in my rebuttal was that you do no either.

That you decided to avoid an attempt at addressing it, makes it clear to me you cannot do so....nor can anyone else.

Should you somehow manage to provide concrete evidence of this man.....let alone that he was a god, you will blow the minds of more people than Einstein did.