Great News: German Home-Schooling Family Allowed to Stay in US After Asylum Denied

Religious fundamentalists use homeschooling as a form of isolation and indoctrination because it's much easier for them to filter the type of information their members receive in a small, controlled environment such as that - than in an open environment

 

Problem is, fundamentalists just want a monopoly on the indoctrination - as opposed to actually being against indoctrination as a real principle

Sure it's not a crime but hiding children from alternative points of views (instead of teaching them to think critically and question authority) limits their potential later in life

 

Lets see parents want monopoly on what their kids learn or government wants monopoly....hummmmm...I think I'll side with parents.

 

6 years of fighting this, the time, the money. You would think a country founded on religious freedom would embrace them. Why did it take so long to get here?

 

They can educate their children after school when they come home evry evening, like any children too. Ho,e schooling is banned in germany for a reason. We dont want christian taliban here without a school degree and fund them with welfare for the rest of their life.

 

So were the majority of homeschoolers religious fundies before it was banned?

 

?No government is demanding a "monopoly" on what is taught to kids.

It is the religious fanatics who want the "monopoly" and are refusing to give their children a minimal education. NO ONE is telling these parents they can't teach the earth is flat or the sun and stars orbit earth.

 

yes, home schooling was banned in germany from Ernst I. He banned it because the majority of homeschooled children were basicly completly retarded, could not read and only count till 10... home schooling is illegal in germany and not only that, its simply not accepted in our society. We dont want religious crazy people here. And by the way, childrens rights stand above parents rights, children have a right to learn science and are not property of their parents.

 

That's very sad - not to mention I believe that drugged out parents, child abusers, molesters, etc have also used "homeschool" as just a legalized form of truancy in the states where the only requirement is to mail in some papers declaring that you're "opting out" of public schooling

I'm fine with homeschool existing but I agree with you that children aren't just property - so there needs to be a way of making sure that children are in a competent environment. But hell I don't see why a professor or educated person who can teach better than a public school shouldn't be allowed to homeschool his children. It seems like banning homeschool outright is just throwing out the baby with the bathwater

 

I would only allow home schooling if the children are tested each 3 month and the parents follow a specific plan. But to be honest i see no reason why parents should be allowed to lock their children away.

 

I'd love to see who ends up contributing more to society in 20 years - the homeschooled kids of these German immigrants or the public schooled illegals from Mexico.

 

How about progressive fundamentalists having a social Marxism monopoly on indoctrination in the public school system?

 

I'd venture that some obscure "women's studies" or "feminism" class at Berekely would be just as loony in its own right.

Either way larger environments are more difficult to control than smaller, cloistered off environments - such as a public school in a conservative part of Texas, where the majority of families are conservative, so even in the event of a random leftie teacher trying to impose his viewpoints on the class - the environment would be on the whole much harder to exert total control over - plus unlike a private institution, they can't indoctrinate outright without risk of legal action - they've got to be discreet about it

The intent of fundamentalist homeschooling/private schooling, etc is to limit contact to freedom of information as much as possible, thereby making indoctrination much easier. This is why authoritarian regimes like North Korea (regardless of ideology) share the same practices when it comes to open expression and exposure to outside viewpoints - they have more in common with Marxists than they want to imagine.

 

LOL so home schooling has been outlawed in your country for what, 200 years or so? Which basically means that you have absolutely ZERO experience or first hand knowledge of what home schooling is, but yet you consider yourself to be an expert on the subject...In case you haven't noticed, a few things have changed in the past 200 years. If, 200 years ago, Germanys "home schooled" children couldn't read or count to 10 then all that proves is that 200 years ago German parents where morons. My 3 year old can recite the alphabet, count to 25 and is learning to write his name. He's never been in school yet and he's only 3. I can't help but to notice that you've got a hard on for science, and yes science is good, but it is not the only thing in life. Maybe in Germany you're either a scientist or you're a homeless peasant but here in America we have other opportunities. I, for example, am a high school dropout, not very good in science, but I've managed to build a small business working with trees, and within 5 years I was making over $100,000 per year working only 4 days a week, leaving me more time to spend with my family which is where my true wealth is. People here in America have made millions working in real estate, wall st., entrepreneurs, authors, actors, musicians, and business owners, all of which require little to none scientific background. As I've mentioned to you before, a good friend of mine that was home schooled was accepted into RPI...Renselear Polytechnical Institute, one of the best technical colleges in the country, and graduated with a degree in micro electronic engineering, so yes in this day and age even homeschooled children, can work in the science field. Since home schooling has been outlawed in your country for almost 200 years, I can't help but to wonder if you've ever even met or actually held a conversation with a homeschooled person in your life, but yet your so quick to acuse them of all being useless morons. Hmmm?

 

Yes I do. Read the post immediately following your reply to me.

 

The truth. How to exist in society without the smokescreen that a fundamentalist Christian employs. Many children taught in a closed environment lack the skills to survive socially once they leave that environment. I've often said that bigotry and hatred are based upon ignorance, never is this more the case than with this type of homeschooling.

 

So then I'm assuming that you have a vast experience of dealing with home schooled children and have seen several instances of their "lack of skills to survive socially?" Because I home school my child and am involved with a few home schooling groups so I'm actually around home schooled children (several of them) and have yet to see any of these issues.

 

I'd like to add my 2 cents. I live in Germany and work partly in the education system.
There is compulsory schooling in Germany, which basically means from a certain age onwards, every child has to attend school (public or private) and fulfil a certain number of years, depending on the state's education laws.
Education is not a federal thing over here, the states (there are 16) have a lot of autonomy regarding their school and university system.
Strictly speaking, there are 16 different school systems, not completely different, but there are differences, sometimes considerable.
One good thing is - it offers a lot of variety and different options.

Regarding compulsory schooling, there are exceptions. Sometimes, mainly for social reasons, e.g. dysfunctional families, some kids don't attend school frequently, so other educational institutions jump in.

Concerning public schools: it's not "the government" dictating what kids are taught and what not. Curricula are developed by a LARGE number of groups from all walks of life, not by the government alone, plus - as I said - every state has a lot of autonomy.

AFAIK, this family wanted to home school their kids based on religious beliefs. Well, this is not in accordance with German education laws. Whether that's good or bad is another question (just like the question of gun control, universal health care, etc.).
So, home schooling doesn't really exist here.

This family felt persecuted and went to the US. Fine for them, hope they get happy.

 

Their case has nothing to do with religious persecution if they returned to Germany based on their decision not to follow their country's laws. However, being allowed to stay temporarily is based on the same principle that the family, like many other illegals, are not violent criminal offenders that the U.S. needs to deport.

 

Germany promised to take the Romeilke children away should the Christian based home schooling continue. How is that not religious persecution?

 

And sometimes even when the truth comes out. Learn to handle it or just ignore it.

 

It's not relevant if the kind of home schooling the Romeikes practice is Christian-based. Their federal state's constitution does not allow any kind of home schooling.

 

The way we are handling our schools now days...that could be true.

 

Regardless of the constitution it is relevant since religion is the reason behind the Romeike's decision to educate their own children.

 

Obama is getting half his dream....he wants Hope and Change. He's getting his change for sure.