Great News: German Home-Schooling Family Allowed to Stay in US After Asylum Denied

They can share their opinions like they want, at evening after their children come home from school. In case you did not know, german corporations want see your grades before they employ you. You never went school? Too bad, you will be living on welfare the rest of your life. So beside breaking the law, isolation their kids they also create welfare people who contribute nothing to our society.

 

In other words, if they don't engage in the sort of thinking that you believe is right and proper, they should be treated as criminals.

 

Your government also made specific laws persecuting Jews at one time. I guess you didn't learn your lesson.

 

So you have never in your life ever been around home schoolers, you have absolutely zero personal experience with home schooling and you've never ever even spoken with a child that was home schooled. So by your own admission, you know absolutely nothing about home schooling but yet you go on to accuse home schooled children of being Christian taliban, parasites, unemployable morons, isolationists, etc. and accuse the parents of being child abusers. Here in America people that talk all kinds of garbage about a subject that they know nothing about are called ignorant fools.

 

If, next week, the German government changed the laws and decided to make home schooling legal in your country, would you still feel that home schooling is stupid and child abuse? Or would you stand behind your governments decision?

 

What I miss in your reasoning is some critical consideration of both sides of the issue.
Your reasoning is based on "it's the law, and therefore it doesn't need to be discussed". I hate to burst your bubble, but German laws may have their flaws like those of any other nation and can be criticized.

 

Oh really? My government made laws against jews? When did the cabinet Merkel made such laws? In case you did not notice we live in 2014 and have a democratic government that makes laws that the majority of people wants. You may have a problem with democracy

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Oh really? So you think if we germans learn more about home schooling we would allow it?

 

I would be against it and vote another party at next election that supports my ideas. Thats what democracy is about.

 

You got me totally wrong. I´m not discussing the law. Since this law expresses exactly what i want in that issues. We have nonsense laws like "Ehegattensplitting" but the ban of homeschooling is something i support

 

In general I support it, too. Although I would like it to be more flexible and allow exceptions, e.g. if parents can prove that they are able to educate their children on par with the standards of public education and let them take part in the exams, they should be allowed to do so.

That is because I know that not all home schoolers are religious fundamentalists. I don't know if you have any children, but you seem to have a very high opinion of our public education system. The way I see it, it's not all that great. It's certainly not the worst, but I would expect at least some parents - who had a good education themselves - to be able to do a better job if they have at least some control over it.

 

Probably not..........there is a teenager in your neighborhood ready and willing to do that.....and he needs the money.........and he speaks English!

 

It depends, Gymnasium in Bavaria, Thueringia, Saxony, Ba-Wü and Rheinland-Pfalz is definitly worldclass. Realschule is ok. The Hauptschule needs improvements though.

 

They did not have a legitimate religious asylum claim. The adjudication officer and the BIA, along with the Appeals court agreed it was not a legitimate claim.

 

Ok. So, let's say Germany allows home schooling. And what happens if some or most of the home schooled children are taught that Nazism was great, it is all the Jews fault, and Germany really won the second World War.

What type of effect will home schooling have if that happened?

 

Probably a similar effect as parents who tell their kids that their history teacher is telling them lies.
I admit that's a good point, but that's why my support of home schooling would be dependant on a good system of background checks.

 

Let me guess. Your children are homeschooled.


Although there are benefits to home schooling here in the U.S., it may not be productive or prudent to home school in other countries, like Gemrany. Additionally, home schooled children ere have done well academically, but the major concern is socialization. That is why home schooling is moving more toward a cooperative education program, a loose definition of private school, so that it can address those concerns.

But in Germany, their major rear, and it is a rational fear, is the rise of the Third Reich again. Most of their laws make sure that anyone who wishes to make that claim will have the most difficult time in using fear mongering to support their claim. That is also why many of the isolationist, xenophobic political groups want to accomplish thorugh the laws. Europe is a very ordered society. Create a dysfunction in that order, and there will be consequences to pay, both there and abroad.

 

Your answer would depend if the parents were listening or caring what their children are taught. Sadly, that is not the norm here in America, but in other countries, like 'japan or Korea, it is.

 

Socialization is an important point. If we allow home schooling, we have to make sure that children are not cut off from the outside world.

Hmmm... I beg to differ. The rise of nationalism in Germany is more a rational concern, rather than a fear - and much less a major one. Of course there are extremist right fringe groups which have been carelessly ignored like in the NSU case, and the average German carries more prejudices than I can find comfortable, but there are other fish to fry.

 

I'll ask again, because I really didn't get a good clear answer from Markus.

If your educational views are so good, wouldn't the majority of people naturally choose them for themselves? Why do you need the force of government to impose them?

Markus seems to think he lives in a democracy, and so the laws must reflect majority opinion. I disagree with both of those premises. So does he, or this wouldn't be an issue. He lives in a republic, and that creates a government bureaucracy that does not necessarily reflect majority opinion. It protects minority opinion as well, and that's his true fear.

What is Markus threatened by if a minority of people do not follow his prescription for education? He seems to be threatened by the success of these pathways that he thinks are an invalid means to an end. After all, if just a few Germans fail because they home school, wouldn't that be a testament to the success of his own policy? Instead, he seems to think that if a few Germans home school then that will some how ruin things for all Germans.

I think that's a poor premise. All it takes is one new way of doing things to improve things for everyone, but if everyone only does things one way, then all will fail at once.

 

so democracy to you is nothing more than mob rule, allowing for no difference of opinion from what authority deems acceptable? congratulations, you've proven that germany has failed to learn anything from its history of authoritarian regimes. you've been told that home schooling is abuse, so you are willing to infringe on the liberty of others. did you first bother to ask what this supposed harm consists of or are you just willing to take for granted that those in authority, those with a vested interest in keeping the masses subservient, are telling you the whole story. that millions of children are successfully home schooled and go on to lead productive lives is a concept that can't seem to make it past your indoctrination. that the majority, goose-stepping obediently to the tune of authority, might not be correct in all cases seems to be beyond this superior intellect of yours, an intellect honed by state approved schooling that you had no choice but to attend.

as i said before, this is not how every society works. though we find the world more and more influenced by such authoritarian collectivist garbage, some societies still value the individual above the power of the state and its easily swayed followers. there is still some hope that more will come to realize there is more to our existence than efficiency and this simplistic hive mentality.

 

Read the article........the adjudication officer approved their asylum claim.........the Obummer administration could have just left it at that and the family would have lived a happy and productive lift here in the US.........but, because they were a nice, productive White family the racist Obummer administration chose to harass them while bringing in thousands of worthless Somali refugees who have no real basis for asylum

 

Don't get me wrong, I see this all from a very hypothetical viewpoint. To be honest, I didn't think all that much about about home schooling before I got involved in this thread. Whatever helps the kids in their later lives is fine to me.

I can't help you with your questions about the laws reflecting the majority - those are Markus' ideas and not mine. Your distinction between democracy and republic reflect pretty much what I think about it, but in Germany these terms are often used interchangeable. What you call democracy, we call "direct democracy".

 

Good one Ether...It's apparent you have a sense of humor.

 

Read the article, the U.S. district court granted them asylum. This was in direct contrast to the BIA ruling.

Again, race has nothing to do with this case. Try to find another avenue for debate on this issue.

 

i can tell you exactly what he is so afraid of, because we've seen the same thing played out thousands of times before. his fear, as well as that of all the other drones, is that their carefully crafted illusion of their place within the herd will come crashing down around their ears. their false sense of security and their own self-worth are all tied up in the supremacy of their chosen authority and to have it questioned threatens to expose the uselessness of their limited potential as just another part of the herd.