Great News: German Home-Schooling Family Allowed to Stay in US After Asylum Denied

Our welfare system is based on two pillars:

1. helping those in need
2. trying to get them out of that help or prevent them from needing it.

Banning home schooling falls under category 2. Beside that, home schooled children have no acess for help in case of abuse and very often home schooling is used from parents who abuse or rape their children...that way it stays at home

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I find it funny that you would push your nations standards on our nation. I don´t make "crap" up. Since home schooling is illegal and basicly evry single person you want employ has visited a school, how popular do you think would someone be who has no grades and labels himself as part of a criminal behavior?

 

Since you so easy start personal insults i will simply ignore this crap.

 

Because your nation is rejecting both freedom and a superior form of education. An oppresion that you support. In order to get those good paying jobs a student needs secondary education. And the students who excel way beyond their peers at the secondary education level are the home-schooled:

"Students coming from a home school graduated college at a higher rate than their peers­ -- 66.7 percent compared to 57.5 percent -- and earned higher grade point averages along the way, according to a study that compared students at one doctoral university from 2004-2009."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/01/homeschooled-students-wel_n_1562425.html

 

No wonder, your public schools are a mess and not compareable to ours. I would propably support home schooling too if our schools were as bad as yours.

 

Those statistics are a broad definition - students who use fundamentalist homeschooling cirriculum actually do poorer on ACTs, particularily in areas of criticial thought.

Homeschooling's only as good as the parents - and in some states even a high school dropout or a heroin junkie would meet the bare bones criteria to home"school" their student

 

I think the conclusion you've come to isn't neccessarilly supported by the data.

Home school kids tend to come from families where the parents are enthusiastic and dedicated to the success of the kids. You have no way of knowing if those home school kids wouldn't have done just as well in a public school, because there is no way to have a control group.

See, nobody I know says home school kids get an inferior education, they think their socialization is inferior, and personally, I think this is just something righties are doing to shield thier kids from diversity, and godlessness

 

Homeschoolers who use a 'fundamentalist' ciriculum actually do poorer on the ACTs especially in the critical thought sections

The repeated slogan about "home schoolers getting better grades" is a generalization since it doesn't specifically focus on fundamentalist homeschooling - not to mention in a lot of states where the requirements are very loose to homeschool a kid, there's no real way to compare the actual learning done (therefore a "grade" doesn't mean a whole lot since it's the parent/teacher who administers the grade).

I've known of some home"schoolers" who just use it as a "legalized truancy", and just fill in the correct answers for the kids and mail in the paperwork, lol

 

What was that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_Index

U.S. is ranked 21st and Germany is 33rd?

Did you know that homeschooling is legal in most of the countries that beat you? Care to explain?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeschooling_international_status_and_statistics

Is that something someone from BND whispers into your ear every night before you go to bed? How poorly do you have to think of your fellow Germans to believe that their prime motivation for wanting to take a personal role in the education of their own children stems from a desire to rape them?

 

All very good points.

I wish people didn't think we can't do both.

But I do support some kind of standardized expectations for development enforced. Parents who neglect thier kids education are neglecting the kids.

 

Let's not be critical of the critical thought criteria...Every question has a right answer and it's right in the back of the book. If you disagree, you're not thinking critically enough.

While we're on the subject of anecdotes would it be beneficial to compile a list of the venerable minds our modern age that accomplished stupendous feats despite not having availed themselves of the public education system?

http://www.onlinecollege.org/2010/02/16/50-famously-successful-people-who-failed-at-first/

 

Or math criteria for that matter. But if you're an expert on the subject then let's hear what your criteria is, and why "critical thought criteria" in ACTs is wrong. Shoot.

Yes, that's right. 2+2 = 4. Saying it "equals 5" doesn't make it true just because "you believe it", neither is that thinking critically

Speak for yourself

http://www.onlinecollege.org/2010/02/16/50-famously-successful-people-who-failed-at-first/

Then you shouldn't be worried if a 12th grader can't even read - since in theory they can still be successful anyway. Heck most people in the Founders' era couldn't read or write

 

Well, some people homeschool because their kids have a learning disability, and it is IMPOSSIBLE for a child to get the same amount of attention and care from a teacher that has 10 other studetns than from a mother who has no other children. A friend of mine's son was miserable in schools due to being a gifted Asperger kids with ADD. His mother homeschools him, and he's pretty happy and knows quite a bit. Now that he's high school aged, though, she is using virtual school to teach him. A caring parent cares more for a child than any other adult.

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Evidence for the first contention (about critical thought).

I do know your last contention is correct--it is used for legalized truancy, and I've heard of it used to rehabilitate a failing academic record--F student in school becomes an A student in homeschool, then goes back to public school and fails again.....

 

That's cool - but what about the cases where the parents don't have a vested interest in their kids - what if the parents are morons?

Which "homeschool"? Certainly not in the case of a meth head couple, a cultist, a sexual abuser who wants to prevent their child from coming forward, etc - and sadly in some states there's no protections in place against this

In public school (and private schools) the environment can be controlled and monitored and in the case of severe neglect discipline can be enacted - that's not the case in homeschool

 

I'm sorry, are you under the mistaken impression that critical thinking testing has something to do whether someone can add, subtract, or read?

So true, if by "most" you mean, women.

 

And what are you criteria then? And critical thought does involve math and problem solving skills

Fundamentalist homeschooling doesn't teach critical thought or thinking for yourself - it'd be about equivalent to a govt school in Saudi Arabia - such a great education indeed

Well women aren't as bright

 

In the New England colonies, about 75% males, and 65% of females, could rad and write. The literacy rates were lower in the the Middle and Southern colonies. Probably because even back then, conservative southerners thought Church taught them more than classrooms.

 

Then why you do keep using "democracy" to justify your inane viewpoint?

Thanks for the tip, captain obvious.

 

Most likely because he has support of the masses

 

my fellow germans? You talk like there is even a debate about this in our society. It is not even a issue at all.

 

Yes, yes, yes...we know you don't get that whole "freedom" thing. The rest of your post is idiotic ad hominem attacks and not worthy of response.

 

Are you saying-with a straight face-that there is NO welfare in Germany?

No...you see a caricature of a caricature.

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No, that's a lie.

 

We have welfare and i support our welfare system. And one point about our welfare system is to help people to never fall into welfare. And we don´t want uneducated children who don´t know science in our society. That is freedom. Absolute freedom. Evry human being has the absolute right for freedom and NO parent has the right to inprison its child in religious nonsense. And we take that serious.

Our authorities actually stormed the area of an american sect who resided in germany and rescued their children:



40 children were taken into custody:



There were long rumors that those americans in that "institutions" beat up their children. Authorities infiltrated the closed church with an agent who made videos and pictures and brought evidence that they indeed beat the children. After that it was ordered to rescue the children.

 

Actually, guy, the northern states were so literate because the protestants had a book they liked to read. They thought it was important or something. It's precisely because of their religion that the north was so well educated. Your prejudice is cute, though. And that leads me to my point with the cricket.

You're absolutely incorrect. Critical thinking skills and self regulation begin in early childhood. Critical thinking is not about the mechanics of math and language. It's about how decisions are made. Toddlers can demonstrate critical thinking skills without any knowledge of the sum of numbers or the wavelength of the color red. Critical thinking ALWAYS begins at home. The foundation for it is the relationships built in the family unit. Past childhood and into adulthood it's very difficult to change these foundations. In short, once you accept your biases, it's very difficult to change the methods you use to form your conclusions.

That's why a monolithic education system is such a shame. The best way to expand knowledge is to allow people to explore off in all directions, not just a singular state direction.