Is Russia about to push toward Kiev?

What, precisely, do you believe was "proved in Donetsk" recently, according to reasonably neutral media sources (which is to say, not Russia Today or Pravda)?

 

So you favour the selective use of international law depending on who is undertaking the invading?

 

when will Russia allow its many republics to have a referendum on secession?

 

In the neo pagan world of the U.S. the illegitimate has become legitimate, evil has become good, unethical has become ethical, immoral has become moral, and so on and so forth. In other words might makes right. Hopefully in Moscow's new non pagan world it won't only be might makes right, but that it's might may also be right. Big difference!

Let's hope there will be some changes made before it's too late:

[video=youtube;clLZqfQXsg4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clLZqfQXsg4[/video]

 

This is an attempt to spread panic and alert their sponsors in EU. If Russians decided people in Donetsk, Dnepropetrovsk and Kharkov need protection, they will move there and run referendums just like it was in Crimea. Nationalists should think twice, what they are doing is wrong.

 

I told you already. I do not favor anything, I simply understand how real politics works. It is not about morals, it is about power. You may like it or not but how exactly that is going to change anything?
Self-determination argument was aimed at ridiculous claim about "violation of international law". There are laws supporting this case as well as opposing it. Go figure.

Who told you that they want to become indipendent in the first place?

You are not interested in another point of view, prefer your propaganda instead (Fox News, CNN, CBS and likes)?

 

check out this map. Ukraine is more religious then Russia , so you support the wrong side

 

The Russians, with gunships have taken over a natural gas plant 6 miles outside of Crimea in the Ukraine. On CBS evening news they interviewed an ex Russian submariner that said the Crimean people are just fooling themselves and has since gone into hiding after his son was arrested by Russians.

 

I believe you are confusing hard-news outlets (e.g. FNC; CNN; CBS; et al.) with mere propaganda organs (e.g. Russia Today; Pravda; et al.)...

 

So Obama is backing a self appointed Ukrainian leader whose own people killed cops and their own rebels. A government that made it's first law to ban the Russian language from being spoken in the Ukraine. Slapping the Crimea people in the face. A group of rebels that have said that Ukraine will put a knife to jews and Russians.
Tell me again how Obama received a Nobel peace prize ?
While Obama is against the Crimea people having a democratic election. One they used to escape the foot of the new Ukraine government that wants to put a knife to them and made laws to banish their native tongue.
Please explain to me what side should we be on.

 

These are the people Obama wants in control of Ukraine ?
http://rt.com/news/ukraine-snipers-security-chief-438/

 

Whose going to stop Putin if he grabs more? Certainly not the west.

 

You certainly have bought into a particular propaganda there. Got a link to the ban on the Russian language other than Russian State propaganda? There have also been reports of Spetznaz snipers in the Ukraine and you can't tell me that they are there to keep the peace. A democratic "election" would not require armed Russian troops directed by Russia to hold an election.

 

"...мамалыга касча Крым теперь не наша..." What is the difference? Religious people should pray and offer the other cheek to slap on. Maidan fat boys are not religious at all, just fat hypocrites.

 

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IB90N5I12-s

 

Pravda. What would you expect. Get something other than Russian State propaganda if you want to have any legitimacy.

 

Where the American government involved in the rebel take over of an elected government?
Is the leader of Ukraine a self appointed leader?
The exact picture of the government make up that the US pushed?
Are you telling me that the Crimea people in majority didn't want to be part of Russia?
Are you saying the system was rigged.
Sure didn't look like it on all the news channels.
People looked joyful.
Did the rebels not kill innocent police?
Put them to fire?
Beat them as they were dying in the streets?

So the Ukraine democracy. You know the one taken by force and the death of innocent people. You know the democracy of self appointed leaders the US put into place. This is the side we are picking.
The Crimea people have a fair and free election. And we side against them? Why can you prove they were rigged?
If America care about democracy we would be talking about having a new election with out troops or America's influence or Russia's. Put that's not what we want is it?
America doesn't truly care about democracy or the free choice of the Crimea people.

 

When all you watch are Russian State propaganda outlets, I wouldn't expect you to have a well rounded view of the issue.

 

Please tell me where I'm missing something. I watch all forms of news. Both sides.
I heard the tape of us telling them who and how WE wanted the new Ukrainian government to be. And look at here it's exactly what America wanted.
We should never have been involved. Specially in a bloody rebellion. Where was Obama and his Nobel Peace Prize criticizing the murder of the police and innocent people to install a self appointed leader?

 

When you keep spouting of the official Russian State propaganda, what is one to think?

 

I look at both sides man.
I don't trust either side to tell the truth.
Do You?
After the proven lies from Obama already.
I don't care what Obama says
I don't care what Putin says.
I am looking at facts.
The Ukraine self appointed government looked down on the Crimea people and were passing laws to hinder their heritage.
The had an election. The people voted.
When is it america is against democracy? When it doesn't benefit us I guess.
Look I'm opened minded sway me to the dark side. Kidding.
I'm willing to take any facts into account.
Not what Russia has done but what the Crimea people want.
Not what America wants but what the Crimea people want.

 

I ask you why would the Crimea people want to part ways with Ukraine? They prefer to be part of a communist country than Ukraine. Wow. That shows you how the new Government were treating them.

 

Yet you are pushing the Russian State propaganda line.

 

U.S. placed SANCTIONS IN EFFECT UPON RUSSIA.

Putin is an IDIOT!!!

This did not need to happen and I feel bad for the Russian People as U.S. Economic Sanctions are NO JOKE!!

AboveAlpha

 

Sorry, but the new government has had no time to treat them like anything and in fact met with Russia and verified that it would honor all previous Russian treaties. You need to quite listening to Russian propaganda.