Is Russia about to push toward Kiev?

So if it's all unicorns and rainbows why did 95% of the Crimea people VOTE to remove themselves from Ukraine?

 

Why did all the Tartar's not vote? Why were armed Russians at polling stations?

 

And you are getting your info from Obama! Lol
Sorry if I don't believe a word he says.

 

No, I do not rely on Russian State propaganda like you do.

 

I never seen any facts that all didn't vote

 

Of course not, you are only listening to Russian State propaganda.

 

Show me

 

Don't need to, you have shown it yourself with your links and posts.

 

So you side with murders. Got it.
You believe obama

 

So why isn't America showing how we support democracy and ask for a new vote? Because Obama and you don't care what the people want.

 

Putin’s Crimea Propaganda Machine

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gregsat...ould-know-about-putins-incursion-into-crimea/

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Sorry if you think that Obama controls the world news organizations.

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I don't know, since you side with Putin, you tell me.

 

Not with Putin. I'm am looking at Crimea people. What should they do than? Be under the foot of a government that hates them and wants to abolish their way of life?

 

You are referencing the Tartars are you?

 

http://youtu.be/zDIczjJRSic

 

Quite a few Tatars did vote to unite with Russia since they were given more rights than they had before. Also let's not forget they are only about twelve percent of the population. There were also international observers from twenty one nations and they said everything went smoothly. You have to stop believing everything our news media tells you. Listen here's a good article for you to read. It's very informative.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/CEN-01-120314.html

 

Wow, straight up propaganda from the Kremlin.

How any of you can post this tripe with a straight face is beyond me.

 

First of all Russia is not a communist country, you are thinking of the Soviet Union and it dissolved over twenty years ago. As for the Crimea, it was part of Russia for over two hundred years, and the people are Russian. It was given to Ukraine by a communist leader and when Ukraine split from Russia Ukraine should have given it back, but it didn't. The people of the Crimea have been praying for twenty years to re-unite with mother Russia. They are Russians.

This is why there was such a large turn out at the voting booths, and why over ninety percent voted to join with Russia. There were parties all over the place, and they finally feel they are going home. Gorbachev said Crimea being part of Ukraine was a mistake, and now it has been rectified.

 

Did you read the link I posted. It from the Asia Times and quite objective and informative . Here I'll give it you again:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/CEN-01-120314.html

And here's a list of the characters at the helm in Kiev from the article:


The cast of characters include Ukrainian interim defense minister and former student at the Pentagon Ihor Tenyukh; deputy prime minister for economic affairs and Svoboda ideologue Oleksandr Sych; agro-oligarch minister of agriculture Ihor Svaika (Monsanto, after all, needs a chief enforcer); National Security Council chief and Maidan commander of Right Sector neo-nazis Andry Parubiy; and deputy National Security Council chief Dmytro Yarosh, the founder Right Sector. Not to mention Svoboda leader Oleh Tyanhybok, a close pal of John McCain and Victoria "F**k the EU" Nuland, and active proponent of an Ukraine free from the "Muscovite-Jewish mafia."

 

Hoosier8
Please,
Link me to which ever definition of "putsch" you choose,
and tell me how a putsch was not what happened in Kiev.

Consider, More Votes Were Cast In Crimea Than for The New Government in Kiev !


Thank you

Moi

No ​

 

Hello, Mr. Paranoid.

How do you think, where in history people were taking part in a celebrating concert after referendum on the main square of a capital with more than 15 000 of people involved after "their honest votes were unscrupulously tampered"? [/irony] Or you really think people in Crimea are fools and celebrate something they didn't vote for???

What the West demands is not international law and human rights (including self-defining right). What the West REALLY wants is to grab Ukraine as a ripe fruit milled with Maidan backed by - guess who?

 

Russian troops according to treaty are not only in Sevastopol. And Sevastopol is located in Crimea. So if you ask about russian troops in Crimea noone can tell that there are no russian troops there.

Have you seen these vehicles and airforce? I saw light vehicles and outfits which is possible to buy by any security agency. The only question is firearms. It is said that it came from the bases that were located in Crimea. I myself think that it came to crimeans from Russia. But I cannot prove it.

Crimea always used to be Russian. After the turks have left from there at least. It started to be ukrainian in 1960s. and within this period russians and ukrainians with all anti-russian propaganda remained russian. It is hard to believe but the results of referendum show it. 80% of crimean population that came to referendum are very organised and motivated people. That is why they took weapons. Russians in the east and south of Ukraine are not that far because they are not organised. But there is no wonder that after the collapse of USSR a russian territory with russian people was made a part of a different country.

Patriots of Russia. Men who served in the Black Sea fleet for years. Of course some people think that the main thing is to buy a car, a flat and a good spouse, but some people invest into freedom everything including their own life considering this as an only investment.
Western gamblers made a severe mistake about russians. They simply don't believe that they will start fighting for the name of their history and holy places. They thought that russians in the Ukraine are only motivated to become the worst people as a part of EU... This mistake is already costly.

Which helicopters? The ones that are part of russian black sea fleet?

Show me what you think is an assault from a helicopter. I haven't seen anything like that. I saw only how ukrainian helicopters are flying away from a crimean base.

OK. What was Crimea in 1990? What was in Crimea in 1890? In 1790?
This peninsula was recognised as ukrainian once there was such a state with legal government. But since it is now being ruled by a puppet government from US then there is no sense to play this game for russians. They have never cleaned this territory. In 1940s crimean tatars were used by nazists in their aggression against the USSR. Russians who commited the same crime were executed. But killing or putting tatars into jail for 20 years meant extinction for the whole nation. That is why Stalin punished crimean tatars with exile. After the end of USSR they started to return back to Crimea.

First of all there was never an invasion. On a peninsula that 80% of population are Russia supporters it doesn't make sense. But however noticed that kievan coup leaders started to supress crimean people local people rised against the US puppets and protected their homes bringing peace to all the people. Including ukrainians and tatars.

They did. They cancelled a law which gave the right for russian to speak the only language which is understood by all the nations in Ukraine and Crimea. Which is russian. As for referendum the question there was written in3 languages.

It was the will of people. I myself would rather deal with an independent ukrainian state which acts to its favour and works together with its neighbours. But the coup leaders don't represent such a state. They are servants of a different empire.

 

For some reason so-called 'totalitarian' USSR accepted the declaration of independence from Ukraine and Baltic countries. And the people there did respect the wish of people, which is currently impossible to see in an attitude of truely totalitarian states and completely misguided people. What can I say. The 'russian invasion' to Crimea went bloodless. And our brothers in Crimea managed to do everything very professionaly. You can try to 'liberate' Crimea. But be sure that the 'liberators' will be killed and they will have to kill a lot of civilians. Is human blood capable to wash this 'totalitarian' propaganda off your mind?

 

What else is possible to be added? Guess nothing.

 

Unproved supposition. A lie.

Aksenov acknowledged Saturday that Russian troops were protecting key sites in Crimea.

This is true. The troops from russian black sea fleet that are based in Crimea due to treaty help the crimean militia succesfully to keep the order under the circumstances. So while Kiev was flooded with blood because of US puppets and since there are killed and injured people in the east and south of Ukraine, Crimea is safe. This has never been denied by me or authorities. It is only ignorant people who think that Russian Black Sea fleet is only floating near Crimea from time to time coming to the ukrainian port that is stuffed with the ukrainians. In realty all the seamen are living there for decades. Their fathers and grandfathers served for russian fleet sometimes since 18th century. So this sensation is not that on time. It's only a speculation.

The camouflage vest is possible to buy. You don't need to be a russian citizen to get such kind of vests. As for rifles they are also used in Kirgiziya which had revolts recently. This weapon COULD be taken or stolen or purchased or somehow received from these countries. But I myself think that it was russian Black Sea fleet who equipped most of crimeans with the weapons.

Not even funny. I wonder what country you CAN'T get this rifle... My God. AK74... If that is the sign of russian military present then we have already conquered the world... ))

Not at all. The conlusion is that the unknown troops in the pictures for some reasons prefer russian weapons. Georgians once they invaded Ossetia had american weapons. But even as it was obvious that the aggression was inspired from the white house noone accused american forces of invading Georgia or Ossetia...

My knowledge is not enough to assess a difference between helmets. The way I see they have much in common with NATO helmets. This type of equipment is not just a camouflage vest. So it should have been taken from a military base. If it is so. But it doesn't say that a person in the helmet is a soldier of russian federation.

The same as helmets. I personally think that crimeans were equipped with these weapons from Russia. Although it is not a proof.

It's a 100% guess. I could also say that these soldiers are 50% from Cuba or North Korea. 50% that is them. And 50% that it is someone else. This is no arguement.

Is it strange that russian troops of Black Sea fleet are using the russian trucks with russian plate numbers?

These helicopters are a part of Russian Black Sea fleet which is based in Sevastopol and some other crimean settlements. Have you ever heard of helicopters that are fighting against enemy subs?
The strangest thing about it is that it is used as a proof of russian invasion...

This is a speculation. If you look at the decision that was approved - it is a decision that russian troops can be used to protect russians and ukrainians in the Ukraine. Putin has already had a permision from Yanukovich and now he received an agreement of Russian parliament. In practice he could already use russian military in Lugansk where some of the citizens officially asked for it.

Which is an explanation that has never been heard. Ir you read it carefully without looking for a double sense you will definetely see that.

Who? I know that coup leaders set a new ministry and now call some of their lovers and friends as ministers, but I don't regard a person who could mobilize 6 000 people out of 170 000 after 2 weeks as a legitimate minister. Maybe he rules a couple of a$$es in Kiev, but that's obviously not enough to be regarded as a minister... at least for a russian.

It has never been concealed. It's just a maipulation. Of course russian troops as part of Black Sea fleet used to be in Ukraine. DUe to a treaty. And I knowing of western ignorance was reminding you about it all this time. The fleet is not parked in Sevastopol. It is based there! It's like Norfolk and not even like Guantanamo. It's a city and an infrastructure which was designed from the date of constuction to be russian naval base. So there cannot be a surprise that russian trucks are coming from one of the military objects to another. They have settlements and living quarters in Simpheropil as well. Why can't they use the trucks for transporting people in order to transport people?!

So again. There are no proofs. And the well-spread belief only proves the contrary.