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  1. smevins

    smevins New Member

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    Well you should have been given a warning, but since you were a substitute, you were disposable. Even if the kid were straight, calling them flamboyant could have been construed as you calling him gay. It was a poor choice of words for a school classroom, but I wouldn't have fired you for it alone had it been my decision.
     
  2. Junkieturtle

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    Flamboyant is not a gay-only word. And if you think I'm a homophobe, go ahead and search my post history.

    If there's more to the story, which is entirely possible, than what I said no longer applies. This firing was only unmerited if the story in the OP was complete and true and didn't gloss over any other speech or actions that may have been of the type that are actually offensive or intended to marginalize gay people. Saying flamboyant by itself does not do that.
     
  3. Cdnpoli

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    It depends in what context you use it in and describing it as the actions of a person, that makes it a gay word..
     
  4. Junkieturtle

    Junkieturtle Well-Known Member Donor

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    There is nothing in the definition of flamboyant that makes it only apply to gay folks.

    Trying to find offense when there is none(you have the same information I do on this incident) does not help the cause, it hurts it. Again, I'm not saying that the OP's account of it is 100% accurate and complete. I'm saying that if we go by it and take it at face value, this firing was not cool.

    flam·boy·ant
    [flam-boi-uhnt] Show IPA
    adjective
    1.
    strikingly bold or brilliant; showy: flamboyant colors.
    2.
    conspicuously dashing and colorful: the flamboyant idol of international society.
    3.
    florid; ornate; elaborately styled: flamboyant speeches.
    4.
    Architecture .
    a.
    having the form of an ogee, as a bar of tracery.
    b.
    noting or pertaining to French Gothic architecture of the late 15th and early and middle 16th centuries, characterized by the use of flamboyant tracery, intricacy of detailing, virtuosity of workmanship, attenuation of parts, and frequent complication of interior space.
     
  5. Cdnpoli

    Cdnpoli Banned

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    And judging by this quote does that match those definitioms?

    I've asked you numerous times to keep down and stop being so flamboyant. Consistently throwing your hands in the air, stomping your feet, and making a scene isn't acceptable
     
  6. Cdnpoli

    Cdnpoli Banned

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    Seems to me the OP's prejudice came out at the exact wrong time and got himself in trouble.
     
  7. Junkieturtle

    Junkieturtle Well-Known Member Donor

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    If I had seen those comments without the backstory, I wouldn't have assumed the person who said them was attacking someone for being gay. Honestly, they would remind me of the class clowns I knew when I was in high school, the people trying to get attention. The second sentence describes the actions in question. Are you saying that gay folks throw their hands in the air, stomp their feet, and make scenes and that's why people refer to them as flamboyant?

    Words don't belong to sexual orientations and flamboyant is hardly a word that carries a negative connotation with it.
     
  8. Roelath

    Roelath Well-Known Member

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    Flamboyant: (of a person or their behavior) tending to attract attention because of their exuberance, confidence, and stylishness.

    synonyms: exuberant, confident, lively, animated, vibrant, vivacious

    The kid was extremely lively by his overall dramatization of everything he was doing in the class itself. He was attention seeking continually with his peers and I preferred the word that met the criteria for the child.
     
  9. Recovering Conservative

    Recovering Conservative Active Member Past Donor

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    Are you a union member? If not, then they're free to do whatever they please. It's called (ironically) "right to work".

    "Flamboyant" does not mean "homosexual" period. Nor does it mean "acting out".

    By your own admission you weren't "teaching" when you chose to call your student a name. And I think it's fitting that you got in trouble for misusing a word that you didn't know the actual meaning of. You have no business being a teacher, based on your own story.

    Also, "high school" is not a proper noun, so it should not be capitalized.
     
  10. Kurmugeon

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    Look, you were clearly fired unjustly. I was also fired unjustly by freaken Liberal Political Correctness 7 years ago.

    Que Sera! It is DONE!

    You can't do anything about it now, other than help U.S. get the damn Libs out of power, and keep them out!

    Just join the ranks of those who Hate Liberals and vote / speak out against them at every damn opportunity.

    Go find a Private school who needs a good instructor.

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  11. Roelath

    Roelath Well-Known Member

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    Justifiable in terms of being removed under the pretense of saying a word that has someone offended by it because they preferred the slang meaning. I knew I could be removed at will and that's not in question. What is in question is the overall reason as to why I was removed from the position because of political correctness that government establishments have enforced.

    Also when it came to "teaching" the student it was in reference to post removal and educating the child the slang version isn't what the word means. It wasn't for me to teach the student but, rather the administration to make him understand that the word itself just doesn't mean homosexual. My little typo with "High School" was due to me not correcting it because I preferred to keep the school anonymous but, forgot to uncapitalize the words. I do apology for not having the proper grammar that fit for an online post to your prestigious monitor view.
     
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    Welcome to the Politically correct world of America hating guilt ridden progressive leftists. As long as we keep electing and re-electing progressive buffons of both parties and tolerateing progressives in our organizations and institutions who have the moral content of fruit flys we are stuck with injustice and moral irrelavence.

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    Rediculous!
     
  13. Cdnpoli

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    ex·u·ber·ant adjective \ig-ˈzü-b(ə-)rənt\
    : very lively, happy, or energetic : filled with energy and enthusiasm

    : existing in large amounts : very plentiful

    So you were asking this exuberant kid to stop acting so full of life and happiness? Thats what youre going with? You didnt at all mean flamboyant as a "negaytive"? You meant it in a positive manner?
     
  14. Kurmugeon

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    That's the spirit! Telling the smug, condescending, judgmental Liberal were to stick it, and move on with life.

    If you really are a gifted teacher, and your subject is pragmatic, rather than political, there are plenty of private schools needing good instructors, and they (Most) don't play these games.

    The private institutions I'd send my grandkids to wouldn't put up with the "Flamboyant" behavior in the class either, the other students parents insist the class stay somber enough to allow instruction, not grandstanding by one kid with "Needs".

    The Kid with problems can have them addressed out of the classroom by his parents, and would be allowed to return to class only when his attention was focused on getting the needed knowledge.

    In life, the kids who pass through such private schools will run rings around the coddled, flamboyant, ignorant students of the PC academy. They deserve the rotten education their parent insist upon!

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  15. Roelath

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    Yes, stomping his feet, generally being loud, and distracting other students were things that weren't acceptable. Those are not things you do when people are working or in some cases where silence is wanted(A Library). Acting out in that manner in a place where it is acceptable such as a social gathering is by all means okay to do.
     
  16. Recovering Conservative

    Recovering Conservative Active Member Past Donor

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    So you already know the answer, but hope that if you throw enough read meat and dog whistles at you problem, that it will go away? Good luck with that.

    LOL...of COURSE it's not the teacher's job to teach...it's the school administrator's! ROFLOL...
     
  17. Roelath

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    I work a variety of jobs and I'm currently employed as a Game Engine Developer. My other work(s) include cleaning/tending to cottages as well as the surrounding yards, electrical, plumbing, janitorial services(Hospitals & Banks), roofing, septic systems, and forestry. Losing this position wasn't a blow but, it was quite unexpected considering the use of the word was proper and nor was it used as a tool for hate.
     
  18. Roelath

    Roelath Well-Known Member

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    It was an open question to a forum concerning "Political Opinions and Beliefs" and this has several opinions so far. I can display my story as I wish on this forum and nor am I looking for a pat on the back but, rather a conversation/insights in the minds of other people... you know the reason we come to such a forum to begin with.

    The administrator's set the guidelines in which what language is acceptable or not and they were the ones who were in close contact with the child. They should be the ones to rectify the problem(s) rather than offloading it to a teacher who already has a curriculum to cover and doesn't have enough time to spend a day or more on what certain words mean.

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    Go for it. I'm a Ron Paul supporter and I've openly tried persuading other forum posters to accept gay marriage.
     
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    Last I heard Ron Paul does not personally support gay people marrying. And he thinks the state should not be handing out marriage licenses.
     
  20. Roelath

    Roelath Well-Known Member

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    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=239332&page=20&p=1061036074#post1061036074

    Take a look at this post from myself.

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    That's because marriage in of itself should be a agreement between two people(Or more if it floats your boat) and not between two people + the government. I'd rather see acceptance rather than try to fight a battle which would take longer for a approval(Considering no one is truly interested).
     
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    Its just odd timing that more people come out with that opinion in the last 15 years when gay people were trying to marry right?
     
  22. Roelath

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    Funny... considering I was just out of high school and into college at that point in time. Sorry for not being there during the protests in my rural town in New Hampshire at the age of twelve or younger.
     
  23. Kurmugeon

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    Cool! Your job as game engine designer is the one with real promise. I am a Professional, Degree Holding Programmer as well. What platform?
     
  24. CJtheModerate

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    False.

    FLAMBOYANT: "(of a person or their behavior) tending to attract attention because of their exuberance, confidence, and stylishness."

    I really hate it when the left tries to hijack terms and somehow make them into anti-gay (Or whatever it is they want to apply it to) slurs.
     
  25. saintmichaeldefendthem

    saintmichaeldefendthem New Member Past Donor

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    Damn! You really come off on this thread as being a tad too.....

    flamboyant.
     
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