Jesus was white

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  1. Jabrosky

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    This paper claims that modern Jewish populations have 3-5% African admixture (using mostly West African and Bantu groups as representing Africa):
    Admittedly 3-5% African admixture may not be that impressive (it's comparable to the Neanderthal admixture in all Eurasians), but the fact that the authors trace this to ancient times supports my contention that ancient Israelites did have some African ancestry even if it was minor.
     
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    Its not so much about what color jesus was but about what race or tribe his people were. Just like people don't doubt confucius was chinese, people shouldn't doubt that jesus was hebrew. Hebrews are semites and caucasoid. Its obvious. To deny otherwise would be like saying that aristotle was chinese and that confucius was really greek. Or that martin luther was african. Its absurd and defies common sense and logic.
     
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    Yeah, I don't deny the 3-5% its there, but very minor.
     
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    It is metaphorical and to go deeper, allegorical. It can be ignored and will be if it does not fit your agenda or if you cannot tick all the boxes. You try to cover every base but that is impossible, so which is it? Woolly hair or no woolly hair. The jewish person you posted a pic of is italian and many italians have a strong admixture with Afrikans, the moors occupied southern italy for a time. The woolly hair of jewish ppl is from Israelite ancestry.
     
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    This is mainly speculation based on current demographics. Where populations have been diluted, scattered and in some cases wholesale replaced. Nothing you stated here has indicated that biblcal Israelites were caucasian.

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    try looking in revelations for the verse.

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    what timezone is that?
     
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    Assad is a bona fide european, probably descended from hittites or any number of invading european tribes. The assyrians you posted clearly do not look caucasian. You have no academic sources to provide us with this wild speculation of white mesopotamians or Israelites. In fact Israelite literature CLEARLY explains that mesopotamia was a civilzation built by Nimrod, a Black man. Read the table of nations, Ethiopia, AEgypt and Mesopotamia are all Black Civilzations as described in scripture. This is backed up by the DNA models posted by Jabrosky. AEgypt and Israel shared a very close bond which transcended naturally into its demographics.
    Ifind it VERY hard to believe that given this relationship that Agypt (a black civilzation according to DNA and modern interpretations of 'black') and Israel were polar opposites in terms of 'race'. Its more likely they were very similar in appearance. It is only with contemporary film and western racism that has tried to paint AEgypt and Israel as white that we now have this quite frankly ridiculous discussion.
     
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    What this could quite easily mean is that only 5% of jewish ppl are descended from Israelites.
     
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    of course some modern day hebrew speakers are caucasion. like there are english speakers all over the world but it never made them english. Biblical Israelites were not caucasian. Caucasians dont fit the scripture im afraid. Caucasions are the romans, you got it twisted.
     
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    Caucasian is an outdated anthropological term any way.

    There is nothing wrong with using geographic labels to designate people. Major continental terms are just fine, and sub-regional refinements such as Western European, Eastern African, Southeast Asian, and so forth carry no unintentional baggage. In contrast, terms such as "Negroid," "Caucasoid," and "Mongoloid" create more problems than they solve. Those very terms reflect a mix of narrow regional, specific ethnic, and descriptive physical components with an assumption that such separate dimensions have some kind of common tie. Biologically, such terms are worse than useless. Their continued use, then, is in social situations where people think they have some meaning. - C Loring Brace

    The history of the concept of race is inextricably
    intertwined with attempts by the winners to explain or
    justify why they perceive themselves to be winners. Consider,
    for example, the term Caucasian. It is an odd term,
    in some ways, because although it is used to refer to
    “Whites,” in Russia people from the Caucuses are considered
    dark relative to many other Russians.

    Especially because of difficulties in Chechnya and surrounding areas,
    these dark Caucasians today are viewed with suspicion and
    distrust in much of Russia. So the term that is accepted as
    “scientifically” identifying White people in the United
    States, often in preference to the term White to give more
    of a feeling of scientific classification, is used in a way that
    is largely opposite in contemporary Russia. Where did the
    term come from then? It was coined by Johann Friedrich
    Blumenbach (as cited in Gould, 1994), who chose the name
    because he believed that the Georgians, from the Mount
    Caucasus region, are the most beautiful race of men (his
    words). The term stuck. So people in English-speaking
    countries with white skin have the honor of having a name
    they imagine to be the formal label for their race, representing
    what one naturalist in 1795 believed was the most
    attractive “race” and what today largely is believed to have
    rather dark as opposed to white skin, according to Russian
    standards. Thus, the term is scientifically unsupportable
    and part of an old racist typology. The term is just as racist
    as Negroid and Mongoloid, terms the politically sensitive
    American will not use.


    Source: Intelligence, Race, and Genetics American Psychologist (2005)
     
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    Most people of the Levant are darker skinned Caucasians.

    There is no logical reason to believe the Hebrews were any different.

    Who invaded Palestine over the last 3,000 years?

    The Persians, the Greeks, the Syrians, the Romans, all Caucasian peoples.
     
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    funny how you assume that Assad is not a pure Levantine, simply due to his skin color. I smell racism.

    and you will of course refuse to provide any evidence that Nimrod and Mesopomia were black

    lol!!!! :roflol: The Bible is not a book of science. Stop pretending that it is.

    The Coptic Christians, who are direct descendants of the ancient Egyptians, are not black people.

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    You have this failed and stupid idea that ONLY black Africans can have kinky hair.
     
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    The Copts are not pure descendants of the Ancient Egyptians. They have ancestry from Ancient Egyptians and all the people who invaded Egypt. Anthropological evidence does indicate that the Ancient Egyptians shared biological affinities with neighbors to the South of Egypt including Northern Sudanese, Horn Africans such as Somali and Eritreans as well as Ethiopian groups such as the Oromo.

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    you have NEVER studied Egyptology as is evidenced by this ignorant comment. the copts are predominantly greeks.
     
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    Its absurd to argue that all ancient Egyptians were black Africans.

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    The Egyptians were clearly a multi-racial people.
     
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    dont expect illuminati reptiles to acknowledge truth. there is no educating cavemen.
     
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    You dont know anything about Ancient Egypt apart from what you read on wikipedia.
     
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    The ancient Egyptians portrayed themselves as being black and darker-skinned Caucasian.

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    Just as today, the ancient Egyptians were multi-racial.
     
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    They were predominately Black Africans from atleast the Pre-Dynastic to New Kingdom period and gained some Near Eastern and European affinity over time. Your art examples show mainly brown-skinned ("Black") people with some examples of yellow-skinned women which was a symbolic tradition designed to separate the genders. Some of the pics are also not authentic Egyptian art such as the one depicting circumcision. There are alot of restorations of art floating around which may not be perfectly representative of the originals.

    This video provides a good representation of the bulk of Egyptians artwork with authentic images from the tombs of Egypt:

    [video=youtube;5RAH_a99EhQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RAH_a99EhQ[/video]
     
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    Clearly, the ancient Egyptians were black African and darker Caucasian.

    even a fool can see this.
     
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    Why is it soo important for some people to believe that ALL the ancient Egyptians were black?

    Why can't they accept the possibility that some of them may have been Caucasian?
     
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    the caucasian element came with greek immigrations in 500bce, starting at Naukratis in the Delta.
     
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    Israel was a satellite state of AEgypt and for much of Israels early existence it was under direct rule of AEgypt. It therefore seems logical that the Israelites, having come out of Egypt and whose leader, moses, was an Egyptian, are of a similar demographic to AEgyptians. Its like you insisting that the English and Scottish are different races. ha, well some white nationalist also insist that scottish and english are different races so iguess anything is possible with that type of ignorance.
     
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    What? The pictures of those assyrians are clearly caucasoid not negroid. Look, I agree that there was strong nubian admixture in Egypt and even some possibly among the israelites which would explain 3-5% ssa admixture among jews, but mesopotamians as negroid? Thats absurd. Even Sargon and his Turtanu Ashur-Isqa-Danin are painted as white skinned with clearly caucasian features at dur-sharrukin (fort of sargon) in khorsabad. The paintings were done around blue glazed brick, similar to nebuchadnezzar who was chaldean (from bit yakin). The Bit Yakin were an aramean tribe that settled in southern mesopotamia and established the chaldean or neo-babylonian dynasty. Clearly not negroid.

    As for Assad, he isn't european at all, he is native to Syria and many syrians look like him. Even the dark skinned syrians don't look negroid at all. The arameans were a caucasoid people, everyone knows this. Same with the persians and elamites.
     
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    Egypt was most likely a multi-racial society. No one is denying that there was a black presence in egypt, I'll even concede that at certain times it might have been predominant. The face on the sphinx for instance shows what some (including me) believe to be negroid features. But to suggest the hebrews, phillistines, canaanites, amorites, assyrians, babylonians, arameans and other levantine and mesopotamian groups were negroid is outrageous. The modern assyrian people of northern iraq are not negroid in the slightest and are direct descendants of their mesopotamian ancestors, and they cluster the closest with mizrahi jews from Iraq and Iran, and the mizrahi jews are caucasoid as well, not negroid. We aren't european, we aren't african, we are mesopotamian, trust me. My ancestors have lived in Iraq for over 2500 years and have carried on the hebrew tradition through culture and language. We speak aramaic and hebrew, and yes some judeo-arabic in the past because of the arabization of our country during the islamic conquests. My ancestors are baghdadi jews and kurdish jews. I am descended from the israelites, and I am caucasian and even consider myself white, as defined by the US census.
     
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    and void of any historical, biological, or genetic evidence.

    its all part of a racist, Negro-centric agenda.

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    The Hebrew people were from the Fertile Crescent, and such people are not Negro, but Caucasian.

    Darker Caucasian? Yes. But Caucasian nonetheless.

    Your Negro-Supremacist agenda is sad and boring.
     
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