Part 23 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

But if you believe the Bible ....Jesus HAS killed people. Remember Jesus is part of the Trinity of God...even before he was "born a human".

Therefore, according to the Bible, Jesus took an active role in the killing of Egyptians, Amalekites, in fact the WHOLE WORLD in the Flood of Noah.

Now of course if a Believer wants to argue that Jesus "wasn't involved" in those BC era events recounted in the Bible....or that they never happened....again, they are contradicting the Bible.

 

LOL ... I forgot about that. Indeed Jesus is a mass murderer of women, children and babies according to modern Christian dogma.

 

Irrelevant question, IF this is really happening. Any more red herrings?

If we were members of the bronze-age theocracy of Israel you might have a point. At least you admit the Bible condemns sodomy, that's progress.

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"For ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God."

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I also don't know the exact day God's punishment of OT Israel began. Good thing it doesn't matter.

Again, you've got it exactly wrong. Read this: http://billmuehlenberg.com/2014/09/03/god-judgment-and-the-nations/

Is God interested in the nations? Yes. Does God judge nations? Yes. Can God even use pagan nations as instruments of his judgment and justice? Yes. All this is certainly clear when we read the Old Testament. But the big question is: What about today?

Can and does God operate in the same way that he did back then? My short answer is this: yes, God is still vitally interested in nations as well as individuals; yes, he can and will judge nations today; and yes he can use one nation as an instrument of judgment against the other.

The only problem is, we do not have a sure word from God about if and when this is happening today as back in the Old Testament. Back then God did these things, and he clearly revealed his will and his plans to and through his prophets.

But today may well be another matter. Let me look more closely at these two issues in turn. That God judges nations and even uses other nations to do it is abundantly clear in the Old Testament. Take the book of Jeremiah for example. In Jer. 27:4-11 we find that the king of Babylon, Nebuchadnezzar, is called “my servant” by Yahweh. And in Jer. 25: 8-11 we read:


Therefore the LORD Almighty says this: “Because you have not listened to my words, I will summon all the peoples of the north and my servant Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon,” declares the LORD, “and I will bring them against this land and its inhabitants and against all the surrounding nations. I will completely destroy them and make them an object of horror and scorn, and an everlasting ruin. I will banish from them the sounds of joy and gladness, the voices of bride and bridegroom, the sound of millstones and the light of the lamp. This whole country will become a desolate wasteland, and these nations will serve the king of Babylon seventy years.

But immediately following, in vv. 12-14 we find these words:


“But when the seventy years are fulfilled, I will punish the king of Babylon and his nation, the land of the Babylonians, for their guilt,” declares the LORD, “and will make it desolate forever. I will bring upon that land all the things I have spoken against it, all that are written in this book and prophesied by Jeremiah against all the nations. They themselves will be enslaved by many nations and great kings; I will repay them according to their deeds and the work of their hands.”

So there we see an evil pagan king being used of God as his servant, as an instrument of judgment against his own people. But that does not mean the Babylonians get off the hook. After he finishes using them for his purposes, he then judges them. They too are accountable and deserving of judgment.

We find the exact same thing occurring in Isaiah 10. In Is. 10:5-19 Assyria is seen God’s “rod” of judgment. Consider verses 10:5-8:


“Woe to the Assyrian, the rod of my anger,
in whose hand is the club of my wrath!
I send him against a godless nation,
I dispatch him against a people who anger me,
to seize loot and snatch plunder,
and to trample them down like mud in the streets.
But this is not what he intends,
this is not what he has in mind;
his purpose is to destroy,
to put an end to many nations.
‘Are not my commanders all kings?’ he says.”

But Assyria too will get its just punishment, as we find in verses 12-13:


When the Lord has finished all his work against Mount Zion and Jerusalem, he will say, “I will punish the king of Assyria for the willful pride of his heart and the haughty look in his eyes. For he says:
‘By the strength of my hand I have done this,
and by my wisdom, because I have understanding.
I removed the boundaries of nations,
I plundered their treasures;
like a mighty one I subdued their kings.'”

Other texts speak to this. In Jer. 51:20-23 Babylon is referred to as God’s hammer, or war club. In Ezekiel 21 Babylon is seen as God’s sword of judgment. And in Habakkuk 1:5-6, 12, God ordains and appoints Babylon to punish Israel. Many other passages along these lines can be appealed to.

 

Another flawed assumption on your part. There are ideologies within Christianity that represent a very dangerous threat. Further, even now Christians have, and continue to force their religious beliefs on US citizens through law. This is a threat to my freedom and the freedom of others.

 

Nonsense, Christians have just as much right to participate in public policy debates as anyone. Is it a threat to my freedom when you similarly participate?

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My apologies for putting to somewhat separate ideas into one post. You can not stay on point when discussing one idea so my putting two ideas into one post was silly.

I will leave the Christians forcing their beliefs on others though law for another post and continue with the dangerous Ideology inherent in both Christianity and Islam.

Of course Christianity is a threat in the same way as Islam. Just because Christianity is behaving itself today does not mean it can not quickly return to the evils of the past.

The dangerous ideology within both Islam and Christianity is like a tumor. The tumor can remain dormant for years but under the right conditions can quickly come back to life.

This dangerous ideology promoted by both Islam and Christianity is that if one questions "God" or "The Book" one will be tortured for an eternity in the afterlife.

Children subjected to these powerful mind control techniques can be affected on a subconscious level for a lifetime. Those indoctrinated as Adults can be even more dangerous.

This doctrine is quickly transformed to "if one questions Gods will as given by some religious leaders interpretation of God through this book on will be tortured for an eternity in the afterlife".

This is then transformed into - If one questions this leaders brand of Church dogma one risks hell and hell is the worst place the human mind can imagine.

The leader then creates a black vs white, Good vs Evil, God vs Devil, us vs them paradigm. Those who accept Church doctrine are good ... those to disagree are evil.

The fear factor is further ramped up - The Devil is around every corner trying to trick you ... those folks (unbelievers) are in league with the devil.

While Christians do not act out on this message these days. We still hear the message of intolerance from may a Christian pulpit.

It is only a short step from intolerance to demonization to dehumanization.

Those who are targeted by the leader are then demonized with terminology such as "Apostates", "Infidels" , Witches and so on. These are demonized and dehumanized such that killing these folks is not so bad and perhaps even doing God's will

The root cause here is the "thought stopping" technique. The teaching that if one "questions" one will burn.

This is the dangerous ideology that is a threat to all civilized societies.

 

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There can be no laws made taking your christian belief/rights away. But there are plenty of christian type laws that take the rights of many away. And they've been slooowly being chipped away. Thank goodness.

 

I wish, Obama was recently stopped from forcing schools and companies from engaging in things they believe to be mortal sins. Anyone forcing you to do something you disbelieve in?

 

Complete nonsense, would you rather live in a majority Christian nation like the US or the UK, or Saudi Arabia, or maybe ISIS controlled Iraq?

I could say the same about atheists.

No facts, just bigoted flame-bait.

You can always tell a radical secularists, when confronted with Islamic evil, their response is Christianity is bad. Go figure.

 

What are schools and companies forced to engage in?

 

Sorry but the shifting of tectonic plates doesn't debunk/refute all the evidence of the Great Flood.

The fact that many of the same types of fossils are found all over the world, in the same order, suggests that the whole world was once under water. We say this because water is required to deposit sedimentary rocks, and because rapid burial is required to preserve fossils, and because some of the layers are the size of Nevada, and because there is virtually no evidence of time (or erosion) between the layers, but rather they appear to have been laid down like pancakes: one on top of the other. And since many layers also contain marine fossils, they must have been the result of an intercontinental or worldwide flood.

Saltwater mollusks in the Black Sea: A Discover magazine article tells us that “Science… has found evidence for a massive deluge that may have inspired Noah’s tale.” 5 It involves sediment cores from the Black Sea. From it we learn that “…over the entire sea bottom was a…layer of sediment that could only have been deposited during a flood.” And “within that layer saltwater mollusks appear, all from the Mediterranean and all dating from around 7600 years ago.” 2

Since the Black Sea is a freshwater Sea that is surrounded by land, this means that at one time the Mediterranean must have been much higher than at present, and tells us that the Oceans of the world were higher as well.

Foraminifera from the Gulf of Mexico: In a 1977 article from Reader’s Digest 6 we learn about one-celled planktonic organisms called foraminifera, and how they “lock into their shells a chemical record of the temperature and salinity of the water,” and that “when they reproduce, the shells are discarded and drop to the bottom.” The article discusses drill cores of sediments that were taken from the Gulf of Mexico by two oceanographic vessels, and which indicated that “a dramatic change in salinity” occurred, “providing compelling evidence of a vast flood of fresh water into the Gulf of Mexico.” One of the Investigators said that: “There was no question that there was a flood and… no question that it was a universal flood.” 6 Emphasis Added

The Grand Canyon and Monument Valley: The Grand Canyon is composed mostly of flat lying sedimentary strata. Some of its layers can be traced for hundreds of miles, and some also contain marine fossils. Its numerous large side canyons tell us that water must have spilled over both sides of the canyon for many miles. Such a scenario again points to a very large portion of our continent being under water. There is also a good chance that the massive flood that spilled over both sides of the Grand Canyon is the same body of water that flowed through Monument Valley to the North, and that left behind large sandstone monuments.

Conclusion: It seems likely that there was a worldwide flood in the recent past. According to Jesus and the apostles, this means that God will come back to judge the world in the future as well: Matt. 7:21-23; 24:32-25:46; I Pet. 1:13-19, 3:20; 2 Pet. 2:4-9; 3:3-7. My hope is to be ready and not caught off-guard when this happens: Col. 1:15-18; 3:1-4; I John 2:28-3:3.

http://www.earthage.org/floodevidences/evidence_for_a_worldwide_flood.htm

So?...what does that have to do with fossil remains of marine life being found atop mountains from all over the world, or any other evidence I have given you for the Great Flood?

Are you suggesting that this island is going to become a mountain someday and it has right now fossil remains of marine life imbedded in it?...lol

The article you presented says, "Similar islands have appeared offshore of Pakistan after strong earthquakes in the region in 2001 and 1945. If the earlier examples hold, the soft mud island won't last a year, disappearing under the erosive power of the pounding of waves from monsoon storms."

 

No clue what you're talking about? What are you being forced to do?

Since I'm a white male heterosexual, not so much. But I'm not the entire country or race or sex or sexual preference, etc etc etc.

 

Good post WR! Thank you for your contribution!

 

Odd you never comment on the lying posts about cannibalism, rape, twisting others posts to make it sound like they said the exact opposite, or any other silly posts that make christians look like complete imbeciles. Since no one ever corrects those lies, it makes those who comment on his other posts appear silly and in agreement with all the lies posted.

Quite the deceptive one.

 

See the recent court cases involving Hobby Lobby and Wheaton College.

 

Earthage is idiotic... and I'll wager that there is no competent geologist on the site. I used to go with the geologists a lot as a kid and look at core samples that were taken in oil exploration. You simply don't understand the formations.. Are you aware that the Himalayan mountains are still pushing up and getting taller and the Red Sea is still getting wider? Three years ago .. underwater quakes caused the Red Sea to widen by 26 feet.. Over 35 million years or so those small changes make a difference.