If we removed all humans from the scenario, which includes their time measuring systems, and all that exists in the Universe is the geology of all stars and planets, would 'time' exist? Can a human even answer this question? In this scenario, if 'time' does exist, why can't 'time' simply be one-way from the moment of the BB? Time cannot be a constant since in order for us to have a future we must always have more time available...or...is 'time' only a variable we have contrived in order to know when to harvest crops or when the wife expects us home?
That's a philosophical question on par with "does a tree make a sound if it falls in the forest and no one hears it." Does the Moon exist if no one looks at it? I think the answer to those questions is yes the tree makes a sound, sound waves are created as it falls, and the Moon reflects light waves whether an observer measures them or not. The thing is, these sound waves and light waves exist only as probabilities until they are actually measured. The act of measuring them collapses this wave of probabilities into a definite state. This is the theory anyway. It's difficult to test as outside of a gedanken experiment (thought experiment) how could we test something where we eliminate the observer? How do we measure something and gain information from observing it, by removing ourselves as observers? It's untestable, hence it becomes the realm more of philosophy. Does time exist independent of an observer measuring it? We can only speculate, as we can't remove ourselves as observers, while simultaneously observing to see if not observing results in the same measurement. "We" will always be a part of the measurement. "We" can't remove ourselves from the process and obtain observational results.
A fundamental question in physics is, does consciousness create reality? It does, our minds create a reality as it is processed by our brain. The question then is, in what ways does this distinct subjective reality differ from an objective reality...the reality that exists outside of the mind. This is the big queston. The abstraction of mathematics can certainly define an objective reality, however what does this mean in relation to a a concrete observable reality? It means there are two distinct realities and we can only know one of them, and that is the reality created by our minds. We can poke around in the dark akin to the three blind mice, and use mathematics to sort of outline an objective reality, but in terms of knowing an objective reality like we're used to experiencing everyday as subjective. Well, we'll never truly know this objective reality in the same context as we know this reality...this reality created by the mind. Our curse is to be forever intricately linked to the observable Universe as an observer. This places conditions on objectively knowing a true reality. Heisenberg's uncertainty principle highlights the absurdity of the situation, but indeed..outside of an observer, there is no way to discern a definite state of reality. The Universe truly does revolve around us..at least in subjectively defining it in a way our brain's can process. Anyway, I'm going way off-topic and wil bow out of any further discussion of the matter.
The numerous NDE visions of the future earth having a greatly reduced population may be probable futures based on conditions at the time of the NDE. Aside from the idea that more recent conditions may have altered the probable scenarios in a positive or negative way, there is another angle to consider. You are probably aware of cosmic energy changes anticipated by David Wilcox and others wherein our solar system is entering a galactic region of intensified field energy. The suggestion is that humans who have developed at least a slightly higher than average quality of consciousness will be advanced to another reality, perhaps an earth with its numbers of dimensions incremented, while the remainder will be left on an unimproved version of earth. A perception of either one would note a reduced population.
It's not philosophical to me...I responded to a post which implied that myself in the future is determining or effecting myself today. If humans are removed from the scenario then obviously this cannot be happening. Are animals in the future effecting animals today? Is climate in the future effecting climate today? Regarding 'time', seems to me it's a variable created by the observer. I'm guessing intelligent life in another solar system are not using the same iWatch we are using based on ~365 days, 24 hours, 60 minutes, 60 seconds, etc. Time must also exist in the future or we cease to exist...it's 11:36am as I type this and I'm hoping I get to see 11:37am and so on for a few more years so obviously there is either some time ahead of me or time as I know it does not exist. Lastly, if the scenario of the future effecting the past can be true, then why wouldn't this hold true for everything in the Universe?
I don't think we can compare what humans perceive or believe they know relative to true reality. If we remove all humans from the Universe, the Universe still exists. Or, way off topic...if all humans were removed, meaning no observers, perhaps the Universe does not exist? Humans today are trumping science with subjective material...like religion or politics...it makes no difference what science truly knows or is well-informed about since this can be trumped...is Earth 6000 years old or 4.5 billion years old or is climate change real or fake? If I die at this moment, all that exists continues, which also means if all humans died this moment all that exists in the Universe continues. Way off topic if a person today is terminally ill why can't they in the future do something to effect today which allows the current person to change their path or end their path with dignity? If the me of the future is effecting the current me all I can say is the future me is doing a lousy job...
Here is a book that may grab your attention Wgabrie? http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=421384&page=2&p=1065298409#post1065298409 Steve D. Kelly has an interesting platform. Cities Under the Plain: The true story of one mans journey, through science, magic, and the CIA to understand the world in the 21st century by Steven D. Kelley 4.0 of 5 stars 4.00 ·
Interesting Dennis. Well that sounds like an exciting book. I may look it up later. I can't right now. But that "Reiki master" stuff is a downer because I don't believe in alternate healing or energy healing anymore. And it's a shame too because what I wouldn't give for energy healing to be real.
Or....... could it mean that in what would appear like the past....... you lived out your life and made significantly more errors than you are making in this life?????? In the past month I read chapter 5 of near death experiencer Dannion Brinkley's book, "Saved By The Light". Dannion, from his NDE in 1975.... was shown a truly terrible future, even before the year 2000! What has occurred in our time line...... is so radically improved over what Dannion was shown that......... all of us should probably be at least a little more thankful for the caliber of the political leadership that we have been given/ chosen for ourselves, in this time line?! The Helen Wambach Ph. D. and Dr. Chet Snow studies of what people see when hypnotized and regressed in time to what looks to them like past lives........ or progressed into what appears to them to be future lives........ indicates that Dannion's NDE vision of future events is actually replicable, verifiable anecdotal evidence for non-linear time/ multiple time lines. Yes........... it does indeed appear that our future can well affect our past.........
If this is true I want to know what I can do to change some of the stupid mistakes I made in the past. If the future affects the past it should be possible. But I think not.
Wgabrie...... we just got a reply back from AboveAlpha that explains this really well. You have probably read a variation on this already.... but today was the first time for me! http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=400055&page=27&p=1065326166#post1065326166
Honestly......… I think that it is better to visualize yourself getting to that place of consciousness where you feel free to use the mistakes of the past to encourage your kids or grandkids or friends, (as long as the statute of limitations has ran out on anything that could get you into real trouble)?! This is a surprisingly good example of how this might work in the higher dimensions of space - time. https://www.facebook.com/notes/fans...ho-had-been-very-shy-on-earth/438250039585847 Rick Joyner meets old friend in heaven who had been very shy on earth!
Well Dennis, I don't know about the theories AboveAlpha is talking about. Maybe that's how PSI works. I don't know. Now, for all I know, there is a concept called the God's eye view of the Universe. I haven't read up on it but I'm assuming that's where if you're on the outside of the Universe looking in you can see the past, present, and future smeared out against the landscape. But it's a still picture. You just can't see time moving. Now, parts of the brain are in a quantum state (quantum vibrations in micro tubules), that means they are in a super position of state. They are operating on multiple divergent states of reality. And here's the interesting part. What they're finding out now with the brain is that even if a memory of an event is wiped clean from the synapse, it somehow is maintained in the cell structure and if the brain is given the right que that memory comes roaring back within 48 hours. Now what happens if a sensitive, who's mind is existing in a superposition, that's multiple divergent states, what if they are given the right que and memories from another divergent state of reality cross over and integrate themselves into the person's brain? Strange stuff. I don't know. That's just something that occurred to me. Edit: I forgot to include my idea that perhaps being in a superposition allows a brain to access the God's eye view.
Yes...... on one level this may fit with the prediction of the coming of the Warriors of the Rainbow? http://www.politicalforum.com/religion-philosophy/422403-warriors-rainbow-eyes-fire.html Warriors of the Rainbow by Eyes of Fire. A massive shift in the world economy is coming.
Your theory fits well with what I read here just yesterday evening....... http://www.near-death.com/science/research/time.html#a04
Scientists generally believe time is actually analogous to space. That's why you often hear the word "space-time" used. If time is truly just another form of space, just a fourth dimension of it, then that means that all particles actually have a linear existence through space. The problem is that all matter has a property called 'rest mass'. If matter has an equivalence to energy, as scientists believe, then even an object standing still (of course the theory of relativity shows us that "standing still" is a relative) it is still moving very fast through time. That implies that, in one sense, it may be potentially possible to speed up time, relative to the outside universe. Effectively this would mean standing still in time, that is the implication. And if you can freeze the reference frame of time, does that not mean that time is [almost] standing still? My point is that even if you do not necessarily accept that the past exists any longer, it is still quite likely, through implication of logic, that a separate large frame of time could exist within a much smaller instantaneous frame of time (hypothetically an observer could experience 20 years go by in the time it takes everyone else to experience a single second). If time is all relative, how can you say that time is passing us by? That is a philosophical point to consider.
The proximity of a UFO can cause a car engine to stop running. When the UFO moves away, the engine resumes running. Thus UFOs emit some kind of influence that can freeze time. There have also been discrepancies between the duration of event registered by the directly affected observer and the duration noted by a remote witness (dispatcher). The scenario of the time freeze manifestation has not always been reported as a consistent pattern. There have been unsuccessful attempts to restart the engine before the UFO moved away. Some reports seem to indicate that a later restart was successful. In other scenarios the engine resumed running on its own.
That's an interesting idea Gelecski. I never thought of the car stalling in a UFO encounter to be a sign of frozen time. I thought it was just an electromagnetic field of some sort put out by the UFO, because I've heard that cars in such encounters become magnetically charged.
