What regultions/controls do you Gun Grabbers want

No degree...figures!

Let alone the fact that I never proposed anything regarding changing the constitution, but this same crowd trolls out the constitutional argument on cue. So, no solution, nothing to argue about except wild-haired outlandish theories and more legal eagle pseudo-talk. Yep, par for the course!!!

 

and I will ask again what will any of those proposals do to stop any of the mass shooting we have had

 

And you really expect to be taken seriously with that lame response???

 

If you are suggesting that congress impose gun control, then you are raising a constitutional issue. There is nothing in the constitution that grants congress the power to restrict the keeping and bearing of arms by the people of the several states.

 

Well I could have responded with, I own a copy of Vattell's.

I hear today you can actually get a law degree without ever reading Vattell's and not having any knowledge of what natural law is.

 

I would prefer that no one "Grab My Guns"....fortunately they are not trying to and could not even if they tried. I would however like to see it become much less simple for those with bad intentions or instabilities to go to a gun show and pick us an assault rifle. It does not seem too much to ask that we decide to at least take this opportunity away from them.

Sorry if it means you cannot go out and legally get a gun yesterday...life is hard sometimes.

 

Which of congress' enumerated powers would allow them to enact legislation to restrict the ability of the people of the several states to acquire, keep, and bear arms?

 

The same ones that prevent a person from buying a fully armed and functioning M-1 tank to protect their front lawn.

 

first of all don't hand me this bull crap "the same canned, paranoid responses mingled with more armchair constitutional rhetoric that never amounts to ANYTHING!"
when conservatives want to limit abortions after 20 weeks because science has proven a fetus indeed does feel pain after 20 weeks all we hear from the left is OMFG conservatives want to out right ban abortion want woman to die in back alleys with coat hangers shoved up them so just stop with that bull crap

and I will ask you the same question that not one of you gun grabbers have yet to give me one specific proposal that would have stopped any of the mass shootings
you just want something done for the sake of doing something. when that something will have not stopped one mass shooting, and when we have another mass shooting you are going to want another thing done and that another thing will not stop mass shootings, and on and on it goes till we wont have a 2nd amendment right anymore, and still have mass shootings and probably more because all of America will be a gun free zone shooting gallery for criminals

 

None...nor did I state in any way they could or should. This type of knee jerk stupidity is not in any way helpful in a society we call civilized. Just freakin' relax the sphincter dude.

 

And which of the enumerated powers is that?

 

Actually, it's in the context of the people. Maybe you should do some research on transcripts from the period.

 

Then we agree that congress can't make a law to restrict the ability of the people of the several states to acquire, keep, and bear arms.

Are you considering a law for the state in which you live?

 

and how would that proposal have stopped any of the mass shootings not one gun used in any of the mass shooting where purchased at a gun show

 

The 2nd Amendment confirms an individual right to gun ownership, SCOTUS told us so, and Libs tell us that when SCOTUS speaks, it's the settled law of the land.

Obama’s Disgraceful Demagoguery

Chicago, where Obama was a state legislator, has some of the very toughest gun laws, and also one of the highest rates of gun violence. In fact, all the areas with greatest gun control in the US also have the greatest gun violence. When the Left can clean up gun violence in the cities they control, tell us how you did it, and then we will listen, but right now, it's very clear that the Leftwing politicians are pushing solutions that do not work on criminals and only work to disarm the innocent victims.

With this shooter, all the victims were unarmed. Everyone promptly called for armed men to respond and once they showed up, he was stopped. He slaughtered until the armed men showed up and stopped him.

And, until Obama tells us just what the hell his Administration was doing in Fast and Furious and why he was deliberately walking US guns to the Mexican Drug Cartels, I really don't give a damn what he has to say on gun control.

https://www.commentarymagazine.com/...aceful-demagoguery-mass-shooting-gun-control/

 

And what most experts admit to be the best designed cavalry sword of all time was first issued in 1905, more useless but interesting information

 

so what laws can we ever pass to prevent anything, or are laws by default, designed to punish you after the fact, and presume you are innocent before...

do we need to change society to guilty until you prove innocence? what consequences would that have?

and how far should we apply that, in the name of safety?

look at how far we keeping taking vehicle safety since you mentioned cars... mandatory this and that until we've priced some people out of affording a car, we say its a luxury, not a right... now backup cameras are mandatory next year or is it this year? why can't people just turn their head and be responsible, or are we already assuming guilt first from now on as a rule of thumb... we can't trust people to do the right thing... so we must preempt action and thought... remove choice... "for your own good"...

now I get it, its tough to have a fair comparison to anything really, especially when there are families tonight, wondering why, what happened, why my child... but a free society requires trust and innocence... and its horrific when that trust is broken... so we created laws... trusting people would be innocent, until we proved them guilty... but we keep chipping away at that... and we keep saying... just a little more, and a little more, its for your own good, trust us...

I don't doubt some simple measures are very common sense, and you could get almost every american to overwhelmingly support them, absolutely no doubt... but what happens when we create things you want... and it still doesn't prevent what occurs every single day in america... they said every 16min on the news, another person killed by a gun in america... what laws could we possibly ever pass to prevent that... we all want that solution, even those who I see here screaming they don't, I think deep down they would love to have a world where this doesn't happen, so please forgive their emotion as I forgive those who rush to pass anything...

what I see most is... there will be no laws, or ways to legislate our way out of this... its a people issue, not a law issue... we need to tackle the correct issue... not the emotional immediate one... this goes far deeper and will be much harder than simply raising our hands yes or no and signing a piece of paper... but until society really takes a hard look at this, its all we're going to get, the emotional lets do something today response... who cares if it works, we meant well... we'll fix it later if it doesn't pan out... but we must do something today... thats the general reaction isn't it?

I just wish Obama hadn't made that speech... all he did was divide us more, instead of having a long hard discussion about this... I'm so tired of politicians on both sides trying to make us pick a side and winner... we're losing every time they continue this game, and we're not solving these deeper than political solution problems of society...

I've asked in other threads, dozens of people, to put forth a solution that would solve this problem... I have not gotten a single response yet that would work... it just turns into people picking sides as if thats the solution... believe me, conservatives will jump at the chance to end gun deaths, if there was a solution we could write on paper... its just sad there isn't... at least none that anyone in america has come up with yet... I bet if there was one, other countries would have used it by now, but it seems this is a universal problem nobody has solved yet... not sure why voting for one political party would change the world lack of ability to find a solution...

(I wonder how many times I said the same thing a different way in this message... lol)

so... I've got no better solutions than is already on the law books today... I have no idea how to solve this problem, without assuming we're all guilty until we prove innocence... and I just can't bring myself to want to live that way in society... its already how horrible we've made it with that thinking today every time a video gets released online and we all rush to view a 30 second clip and rule on someone elses life, without knowing the other 90% of the details... we're satisfied with 30 seconds... our attention span for justice...

 

Besides most everything else said here about background checks I would make guns subject to liability laws which would enable those injured by them to sue the person responsible for arming the person who did the harm as well as the person who did the harm themselves. This is commonly done for several other types of things which are recognized as dangerous. Additionally, I would make this liability penal if it could be proven that the offender was either criminally negligent or outright criminal in who he supplied the guns to.

This would stop many lone gunmen types, because it would make gun merchants much more careful as to who they sold their guns to. It would also make gun owners much more careful about keeping their guns from being stolen. (especially when they are "stolen" by a gang member who then pays them a lot of money)

Gun advocates are conservatives. Conservatives make a great fetish about valuing "Responsibility". Why won't they hold themselves responsible for the harm their guns cause?

 

Was Patton involved in designing the best cavalry saber ?

Before Patton got into tanks, he was trying to design the best cavalry saber.

FYI:
The first American built tank was built by George Patton and his buddy, Dwight Esienhower. Patton paid for the entire tank using his own money.

I'm starting to see a George Patton in Donald Trump. Both were extremely rich and Patton would have never excepted cultural-marxism political correctness.

 

my truck size or sports car is directly related to penis size... gun size and amount is directly related to poverty levels in the area... thats why so many drug dealers and rednecks drive large trucks and SUV's while having huge stashes of weapons around at all times... the drugs and beer shrink it, and people are trying to steal your stuff!

too soon for comedy?

cause thats actually a factual statement... HEYYYOOOOOO

 

switzerland has mandatory military participation for all men... do you want mandatory military participation for every male in america?

and if a swiss male, does not meet standards to participate, they pay an extra 3% income tax, unless disability was the reason for not qualifying...

so you want a mandatory tax on anyone who doesn't want to play army ranger by force? or you want people to have a choice?

THATS why the swiss are such a different gun culture... its literally the law, and culture... they must participate, and they must own their own weapons...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_Switzerland

 

I'm sorry, but with all due respect I don't believe the majority of gun advocates believe the bolded part for a minute. Besides often betraying what seems a complete lack of normal human feeling and empathy for others, most fanatic gun advocates are so obsessed with their guns that the deaths of even thousands would have no effect on them at all. Many of them outright admit they despise the victims because they were not armed.


You seem a caring and concerned individual, but you have bought one of the fanatic gun advocate's lines, hook and sinker. It's a "societal" that is, totally insoluble, problem, which we cannot solve without taking away our freedom. Bushwa, we have laws that limit our freedom all the time and we accept them readily because it is simple common sense to do so. You speak of cars being required to have backup cameras, what freedom is being threatened there? your sacred liberty to accidentally back over a toddler playing behind your car?

 

Enacting laws that require individuals to be screened before buying a deadly weapon is already in force...we just do not enforce in in gun shows very well. I feel it is time we do.

 

Can you tell us which of congress' enumerated powers allows enactment of these federal laws requiring that individuals be screened?

 

NOTHING would have prevented the mass shootings...but, perhaps they might have been more difficult to do.

It is unlikely someone killed by a drunk driver last night on Portland Ave. would have been prevented...because it already happened. Someone was NOT killed somewhere because it is illegal to drink and drive though...because we realized long ago it was not a good idea.