How do we prevent these mass shootings?

so that's it?

there's no way to lesson the probability of these shootings happening?

there's no way we can keep guns out of the hands of unstable people?

there's no way we can better report unstable & dangerous folks to the police?

we simply have to arm the entire country?

teachers, doctors, lawyers, students, delivery-men, plumbers, dentists, all just need to carry a gun?

that's your solution?

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you're analogizing black people to folks who are schizophrenic or bi-polar and have thoughts of mass-murder?

wow

 

The best way to prevent a shooting from becoming a mass shooting is to shoot back. That's why all mass shootings happen in gun free zones.
Mass shooters are nuts not stupid.

 

maybe we can work on preventing them from having guns.

or work on reporting them to the police before they get violent.

or work on getting them the help they need before they get violent.

arming teachers, students, doctors, lawyers, cashiers, librarians, ice cream man, is not the solution.

 

No one is suggesting we "arm" anyone. We do, however, dismiss your suggestion that we disarm people based upon your vaguely described pre-crime system.

The problem is that everything you suggest is, in and of itself, an act of force. Anything done by law is done by force. Most of the worst things done now, and historically, are done legally. Our right to bear arms is in defense against that threat as well. So, leaving the greatest threat the only ones with arms is no solution.

 

You do realize that what the government is doing is the destabilization of our own country?

Sow the seeds of fear, allow crime to keep happening, ratchet up the pressure, and wait for them to turn on themselves.

It's happening right now.

 

crime is greatly reduced from 20 years ago.

just look at NYC and Los Angeles.

we are a much safer society.

unfortunately, we also have record incarceration rates, mostly due to racist drug sentencing laws.

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We as a society have a compelling interest in keeping guns out of the hands of dangerous mentally ill individuals who are a danger to themselves and/or others.

Compelling interest justifies such actions.

we already keep guns out of the hands of folks who have been involuntarily committed to a mental institution.

 

Oh I agree by and large, although after BLMs actions violent crime is on a large increase due to police pulling back.

The fact that the US is getting safer doesn't seem to be something this administration wants you to see though.

Obama wants the guns, so he has to avoid facts and use fear to get them.

 

mass-shootings are on the rise, and they are very high profile, as they should be.

 

Oh, holy straw man! Never said we need to arm the whole country - I said we need to allow people to defend themselves. It is no coincidence that 92% of mass shootings from 2009-2014 were in "gun-free zones". At the very least, allow people who have gone through the process of getting CCWs - people who actually, statistically, are less likely to commit wrongful homicide - to carry at schools.

Wow. What a straw man.

All rhetorical bs aside, the core of your argument is "people with mental illness are more likely to commit murder, therefore we should deny them constitutional rights without them having done anything wrong". And the problem with your idea is that the logic at the core of your argument, not mine, would necessitate that blacks be denied Constitutional rights.

 

being black isn't a mental illness, my friend.

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so you think more guns is the solution to mass-murder events?

 

Again given that there is no way to prevent mass murderers short of putting everyone in jail there is no real solution to mass killers. All you can do is limit the damage and the only way to do that is to allow people access to weapons.

 

Cities tend to have liberal or control freak governments, even if Republican.

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Yes, that is the solution. Every person murdered in a mass shooting without exception was unarmed and unable to defend themselves or others. YOUR solution is to go further in assuring would-be mass shooters that they can not be opposed.

 

another straw man and more attempts to obfuscate your own argument?

Your own argument has been shown to be flawed, and you've been entirely unable to answer the criticism. I think that's a fair indication that you have no answer.

Another straw man?

I didn't say "more guns" - again, 92% of these mass shootings happen in gun-free zones. And do you really think that keeping these "gun-free zones" is going to prevent a mass shooting? Evidence to the contrary.

 

well using your logic, small cities that are liberal and control freaks, should produce the same results... yet they don't...

see I'm trying to get folks away from making this a political side war, because we have examples of both being failures and successes, so clearly neither is the answer, so what is the answer... the one factor that remains constant, is this seems to be a larger city issue, while small towns don't suffer from this, no matter which political party is in control... so its not politics... its something to do with the types of people who choose to live in large cities versus small towns...

 

But being Liberal is and over 90% of the black population votes left so one could argue that the color is not the dis-qualifier but the mental illness is...As long as the left wants to apply a broad brush to their gun grabbing while the right sees each person as having rights, the issue will remain.

 

Gun-Free Zones aren't the answer either.

the answer is much more mental health services and keeping guns out of the hands of severally mentally ill individuals who are a danger to themselves and/or others.

 

You really don't know that. Even so, I hope all goes well for you.

 

Still, the numbers of and propensity for the same to occur CAN be affected. We know this and no amount of whatever cowboy-mindset rhetoric will eliminate that fact.

 

Nonsense the single largest mass killing that I know of that was perpetrated by one man occurred in Norway. These things occur on a random basis in every country in the world. If you are going to call three and above a mass murder, then the easiest way to stop it would be to lock up all the gangbangers with out bothering with a trial. I know I'm not interested in incarcerating people without a trial based on who they associate with and somehow I don't think you are either.

 

Don't mean to be cynical, but all those killed by terrorists and mass killers don't even dent the actuarial tables. They'll tire themselves out. Cut Homeland Security from the budget and let the NRA have its way. Just stay away from large gatherings. You'll be alright.

 

Democrats want gun control. Since the majority of mass murderers have been left wingers, they should go thru a double stringent investigation to be able to buy a gun.

 

Funny how we copy everything that DOESN'T work, but are blind to the obvious.

Israel has had NO school shootings since arming teachers in 1974.

 

Correlation does not equal causation

Oh! And I always CHECK my facts before I post - saves embarrassment

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercaz_HaRav_massacre

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/israelis-shoot-nra-claim-article-1.1226401

Meanwhile Australia introduced gun legislation and stopped mass shootings in the entire bloody country!

 

Sorry only an idiot hugs a gun. It isn't effective in that posture.