Why do some atheists think that evolution disproves a creator?

I think this idea shows that some atheists want to "use" evolution to fill the void of a religion (but with morally relativist "conclusions" which are implicitly implied even though not actually stated from the mere facts).

Because evolution itself has nothing to do with whether there is or is not a God.

Just like whether or not a Lamborghini simply "popped into existence", or whether it was assembled in parts in a factory through gradual processes doesn't affect whether or not it had a designer - the only difference is the "how", not the "why"?

So why is evolution so important to atheism? Even if evolution didn't exist it still wouldn't stop an atheist from being an atheist; instead of believing that "God created people" they could simply say "we don't know" why we're here, as I'm sure atheists who lived before Darwin's time did.

This makes me wonder why some atheists are so intent on evangelizing evolution since ultimately it's not relevant to their belief in God - I'd personally say it's because some of them want to "imply" conclusions from evolution despite them not logically following - such as moral relativism, "life is meaningless", etc

 

Erm...because if we evolved there was no need for us to have been 'created' and the whole 'creation' myth is thus disproved. Plus it took slightly longer than four and a half thousand years. The real question is, in the year 2015, why does anyone in a developed country still believe in god? Very strange, can only be a product of upbringing, as any rational thought would not lead to that position.

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I mean you're sitting here on the internet speaking to people all over the world, and you honestly believe some magical sky fairy created all of this out of thin air? Would you like to buy a bridge? I have an absolute cracker for sale, give me your bank details I'll get it shipped over pronto.

 

Probably because both self contradictory creation accounts in the Bible do not match reality.

 

Why do religious people not say "we don't know" and "that is just what we want to believe"?

 

Evolution fits just fine with creation actually. The atheists cannot really use that as an argument anymore.

 

Why do humans even think about whether or not there is a God? We are the only living organism on the planet that contemplates where we came from, or contemplate God, or life after death. We contemplate and we calculate. No other animal does that. Why are we so different than other animals in that respect? Where did our conscience come from; or our guilt, or our pride, our shame, or our conceit, our narcissism, etc.? Maybe the fact that we even think about God is proof that there is a God.

 

Which is like saying you can prove that "aliens don't exist" by disproving the existence of Yoda and Mister Spock.

 

Fun fact, I only have a pretty entry level understanding of philosophy and metaphysics, and that's all I need to refute most if not all of the New Atheist claims - so that doesn't say a lot about the entire movement if it loses to anyone smarter than the people who think that dinos rode on Noah's Ark.

Why do Eagles fans say "we don't know" the Eagles are the best football team, and that "this is just what we want to believe"?

 

God gives me immense joy and makes me a more caring person to others. He enriches my time with my family and has brought so many friends into my life. If I die and He doesn't exist I will still consider myself better off to have known him.

 

If you die and there is no afterlife you won't be considering anything.

Nor would you be considering.

Nor would you be.

AboveAlpha

 

True, but if I am right your going to be in big trouble. In other words, my worst case scenario is equal to your best case scenario.

 

Why would I be in big trouble?

Probability that a GOD exists as so advertised within any monotheistic ancient religious texts exists at a Statistical Impossibility of a greater chance than 1 in 10^150th.

Besides there is even a higher improbability that any existing GOD would supposedly condemn anyone to eternal torture in something that would be labeled HELL just because that person did not pray to that GOD or perhaps ask forgiveness for original sin....which is a moronic concept by the way.

Religion is a construct of man and if there is anything existing that could be called....GOD....it is most likely something so alien in it's nature that humanity would not have any possible way to understand what it was.

Besides....I consider myself to be many times more moral then the vast number of self declared religious people.

AboveAlpha

 

So why are you hanging out on a religious forum then?

You either feel the need to save us Christians or to demonize us.

You have only the most basic understanding of what faith is apparently and any real Christian has been given the proof they need. That is something you cannot possibly understand.

 

The same kind of reasons some theists think the existence of a creator would disprove evolution.

In general terms yes. It can be relevant (along with a whole load of other things) to specifically defined gods if their purported characteristics or actions contradict established information.

As you’ve just said, it isn’t. It’s used by some atheists (and some theists) in the petty arguments about whether gods exist but that doesn’t make it important to atheism in general.

Sometimes I’m sure, just as some atheists are so invested in disproving evolution because they want to imply conclusions such as the existence of their preferred sentient creator.

 

I have no issue with a person believing in a GOD.

And I have no issue with a person who believes in a specific religion and I never have.

I posted because I had something to say.

I posted a REALITY.

I didn't say that it was wrong or not to believe in a GOD.

AboveAlpha

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Oh...and since I don't presume to say I know what you do or do not understand neither should you presume this of me.

AboveAlpha

 

Until science can prove how creation happened then God will remain on the table as well as any other options. For you to say that God cannot be an option is silly.

 

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In the simplest terms, I believe us humans evolved on earth from a primordial soup, most likely caused by the debris left from a comet that impacted the earth. It's called "Panspermia." However, the exact conditions that are required for sustainable life, as we know it, are exponentially infinite. As I also believe in an omniversal supreme divinity, it also makes sense that their may be an ultimate causation for this. What I don't believe in is a flawed book which people take too literally. To that extent, I will resist any attempt by a faith based organization to push their views on me or science. There's room enough for all people to believe what they want.

 

I don't know if evolution disproves a creator, but evolution disproves intelligent design.

 

No it doesn't. For are you know we are still evolving and have not reached our final design yet. Applying time to God doesn't really work too well.

 

Evolution disproves intelligent design because intelligent design is preordained; evolution isn't. There is no adaptation with intelligent design, so it's not compatible with evolution.

 

Like I said, you don't know Gods timetable which is why evolution fits with creation. When it says God created us it doesn't tell us how. Perhaps God is using or has used evolution as the process to create man. When it says God created man out of dust that could very well mean evolution.

 

Because they secretly know the Steelers are much better I imagine.

 

I never said that?

Who are you talking to?

AboveAlpha

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But they know the Patriots are a LOT better than the Steelers! LOL!!

AboveAlpha

 

Certainly at cheating they are