Christmas Tree Debate

it has arrived c/o Cornell University.That University has now listed
how a student can have Christmas Tree.It can have ornaments and
lights but No religious icons,symbols or wording.It is to be referred to as
a Holiday Tree.
This is now the country we live in.We are now being treated as if
Occupied.By " Thought Police " and Totalitarian administrators on
many a college campus.Too many.Imagine going back and watching
a movie from the 40's and 50's and how college kids treated Christmas.
Then look at yourself in the mirror and ask WHY ?
Did we as a Country do something so awful that we are to be treated
Less than The POW's in the classic movie - Stalag 17 - { 1953 } those
captured POW's were allowed to have a Christmas tree and decorate
to their liking.Even a Christmas party.That's right even the Nazi/German
Camp Commandante played by One bald ballbusting german of
Director fame { Otto Preminger } wasn't adverse to a little Christmas cheer.
What the Fuch has gotten into this Country.
What's next ... to remove all the Norman Rockwell Christmas paintings.
Ban the use of any Currier & Ives Winter/Christmas landscapes and
bric-a-brac.
This is NOT the Country of my Youth.Or my college years.

 

I like Christmas trees. It shows that in desperation to garner acceptance and grow their religion, Christians were ready to incorporate rituals of other religions, in this case Thor's Oak.

In my opinion.

So in reality, if you are putting up a Christmas tree, you are celebrating pagan, heathen, or whatever you want to call it. religions. So all hail the mighty Thor, god of thunder! Ho, ho, ho.

 

Takin' the high road again ... eh.

 

So instead of a Christ-mas tree to celebrate Christ-mas for the birth of Jesus Christ, we should all put up Thor trees instead...

 

I'm surprised they don't insist on calling them Happy Holiday Trees now.

I mean, that's all you see or hear in this crazy PC world now anyways. Everything is "happy holidays" in advertising. It's just absurd.

 

He's dealing in fact.

You would never have seen a Christmas tree in any of the homes of the founding fathers.

 

I have Christ's 6ft tall pianist erected in my living room for the jolly season. Ho ho ho!

 

No wonder real Americans refer to the loony left PC types as being so far out of mainstream thinking.

 

It should be noted that the "Christmas Tree" didn't originate with the Christians but instead the Christians adopted it from the pagans. In fact the Christian "Christmas" didn't even originate from the Christians but was also adopted from the pagans.

http://www.history.com/topics/christmas/history-of-christmas-trees

Having grown up in the 1950's and 1960's I can also state that this is NOT the country I grew up in either. It's a far better country today than back then although we still have a long ways to go before it's the country imagined by the founders of America.

 

We're seeming to push the limits on PC ridiculousness. We'll pray for Paris while refusing to allow a tree with decorations of a student's choice to display their religious beliefs. Why can't a Christian have a tree with religious ornaments if they wish, a Jew to have a Minora, or any other religion to have their own display? Seriously, it's their dorm room that they pay rent for on a college campus. Each student has some amount of his/her own space. Since colleges are bastions of leftist acceptance, I can't see how one could find offense with another when respecting spaces of each student. Would seem easier than this PC BS that almost eliminates people's ability to have their own space and treat it as such. We let them be considered adults when away at college, they can even agree on who brings a fridge and who brings a microwave, but they can't be adult enough to decorate their space how they want to?

College logic: acceptance of all beliefs, or no beliefs, is required, except when we decide it isn't.

And I noticed our White House was colored in French colors for their massacre, but not in our own colors for our own massacre.

 

Another year, another round of manufactured outrage in right wing media for the entertainment if the "guns, God, and gays" crowd!

 

File this under who gives a (*)(*)(*)(*).

 

Cornell is a private school.
Are you saying that a private business should not be allowed to make their own rules?

 

A Christmas Tree is a Christmas Tree, Christmas is Christmas. It is really that simple.

 

You can put up your Christmas tree and call it whatever you want. The school can't make you or anybody think about what that tree is in any way other than the way you choose. The significance of the tree, I should hope anyway, isn't rooted in other people knowing that YOU have a Christmas tree and those other people thinking of it AS a Christmas tree. It's what the tree means to you.


Is Christianity so weak and shallow that it is only meaningful when acknowledged and honored by other people? Does it have any personal meaning to you or is your Christianity only about the status it gives you with others? I can't say I understand the hubbub without working off the assumption that Christianity is like the popular kid at school that needs everyone to notice them in order to feel worthy. Shouldn't it's value and meaning to you be untouched by the perceptions and opinions of the outside world?

 

Wishing people happiness is absurd, got it.





Why are the people who denounce poiltical correctness always the ones who take such offense at everything?

 

"Mainstream" thinking is more fickle than the weather. Using that as your moral or ethical baseline is not a very wise decision.

 

We are doomed.

 

The word "Holiday" means "holy day". Saying "Happy Holidays" is a way of wishing you the same exact thing as saying Merry Christmas.

And why does your enjoyment of Christmas depend so much on hearing someone say the word at a store? Are stores and shopping and materialism really what the religious part of Christmas is about?

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=holiday

 

The tradition was started in Germany. The Pennsylvania Dutch(aka Germans) had them. They didn't really catch on until the early 1900's, I think.

 

Our municipality is putting up a huge yule tree in the middle of the plaza. Is it religious? Yes, undoubtedly so. Is it violating some sissy liberal notion of secularism? Probably, but who cares. Give me my yule tree or give me death.

 

Explaining the origin of the Christmas tree alters the modern day symbolism not one iota ho ho ho.
No one needs to justify putting up a Christmas tree to you or anyone else ho ho ho. Merry Christmas.

 

You wouldn't have seen them anywhere outside Prussia until WW1.

 

Right on.

 

Only because we were not founded by Germans who started the practice in the 1500s. The Germans who were here were putting them up as early 1747. Its true most founders saw it as a pagan practice that had nothing to do with Christianity. Looks like they were correct and it has now come full circle. Its once more seen as a pagan symbol by many.

Heck in Mass there was a law making any observance of December 25 (other than a church service) a penal offense; people were fined for hanging decorations. That stern solemnity continued until the 19th century, when the influx of German and Irish immigrants undermined the Puritan legacy.