Sheriff Arpaio revives birther controversy at Trump rally

Kim vs, Ark involves one individual who's parents were lawfully in America. She was declared a native born citizen but no where did the SCOTUS mention natural born citizen.

Before 2008 where a federal judge legislated from the bench, both parents had to be American citizens to pass on natural born citizenship to their child.

Winston Churchill's mother was an American citizen and Winston couldn't even inherited being a dual citizen of the UK and America because there was no cultural-marxism in 1874. Winston Churchill was a British subject and no way would the British Crown allow Winston to hold dual citizenship. In 1874 English Common Law reflected Natural Law. Remember that we are referring to subjects too a sovereign monarchy not citizens of a Republic who's Constitution is based upon Natural Law.

Example that some during the Viet Nam War might remember. The draft !

One of my best friends didn't want to be sent 8,000 miles away to fight a war in a place called Vietnam. He was born in England when his father was a M/Sgt in the U.S. Air Force stationed on a USAF base in England in 1949. Since the air base had no hospital at the time his mother gave birth outside of the base at a British hospital. My buddy had dual citizenship, an American citizen and a British subject.


In 1968 he hired a lawyer to looking for a way from being drafted. During litigation his lawyer informed my buddy he had a way out being drafted, being a dual citizen and a British subject he can move to the UK or Canada, etc. and denounce his American citizenship before he was 18 years and six months of age and not fear the FBI coming after him.

Barak Obama could have done the same thing before turning 18 yrs and 6 months old. Who know how many citizenships Obama held ???

Well he chose not to do it and was drafted and spent 12 months in the RVN and honorably served and earned the Army's ICB along with numerous been there and done that awards.

What his lawyer pointed out was that my buddy didn't meet the definition as a natural born citizen because he held dual citizenship.

But his younger brother who was born a year later in 1950 when the USAF base in England by then had an on base hospital ws born on base and was just an American citizen, no dual citizenship. He also was drafted but found himself serving in West Germany instead of the Nam. He was a natural born citizen where as his older brother wasn't.

 

I know you were taught the same thing everyone else is taught.

No you weren't. Everyone is taught anyone born in the US can be president.

 

Here's the thing about US law. The Supreme Court decides, not some random neither on the Internet. So you "thinking" Wong was decided incorrectly is less than meaningless.

Babies don't have allegiance. There have been numerous dual citizen presidents.

Lol, birthers.

 

You need to actually read the ruling. They specifically state natural born subject from English common law means the same thing as natural born citizen.

Never in the entire history of the US has this ever been true.

We have had several presidents with dual citizenship. His lawyer, like birthers, is an idiot.

They were both natural born citizens.

 

As has been noted over and over due to the law at the time and his mothers age Obama could not get his citizenship from his mother. He could only get it by his place of birth.

 

Stop making yourself look foolish with these baseless attempts to smear other people.

 

What are you claiming is baseless?

 

Before I continue to respond, please list those "several former Presidents" who held dual citizenship. You don't have to mention Obama, everyone agrees he has held multiple citizenships.

 

Oh geez don't tell me you are confused the philosopher's concept of "natural law" and scientific law.

Well you carry Birther's water- so maybe you are.

 

Except of course that is a fiction created by those who cannot accept that Barack Obama was elected.

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John McCain is a natural born citizen.

Not that it matters anymore but he is.

 

There isn't a case that actually supports that- not even Minor says that both parents had to be American citizens to pass on natural born citizenship to their parents.

Fact is that Americans born in America have been clearly understood to be natural born citizens at least since Wong Kim Ark- just like any other American- all they had to do was bring their birth certificate to the passport office and they were issued American passports- no requirement at all to prove the citizenship of their parents.

That has never been a requirement- unless the child was born outside the United States- never within.

 

The claim has been made over and over. Of course the question is moot since President Obama was born in the United States- but the claim certainly has not been legally proven. For instance- if Obama's father had never legally divorced his first wife- then his marriage to Stanly Ann Dunham would have been legally void under Hawaiian law- in which case- citizenship is based entirely upon the mother's citizenship- with no age requirement.

Even beyond that- much like McCain's claim on NBC- that would all really fall into the area of practice versus reality- if a foreign consulate issues a certificate of foreign birth(or whatever that form is called) and amended the mother's passport to include the baby- the baby would become a U.S. citizen by action and that would remain in effect unless challenged by the State Department.

 

Thomas Jefferson for one- when he ran for President- he was of course grandfathered in- but he also held French citizenship.

The others include Chester Arthur(dual U.S. and British citizen until he was 41) and Jame Buchanan( U.S. and British citizenship)

Spiro Agnew(vice presidents are subject to the same requirements as Presidents) was born both a natural born American citizen and greek citizen.

 

Here was your original 'claim'
Please provide the names and the reasons I should have some curiosity about other Presidents with regards to their admittance to a college or university/
Because ALL the others were very forthcoming, is that really the intellectual depth of your discussion here?

You claimed that all of the other Presidents were 'very forthcoming'- yet none of the Presidents provided anything more than President Obama has.

So what did you mean by your claim 'that all the others were very forthcoming'- or was that just a false rationalization why you targeted this one particular President for your vast curiousity about college applications.

 

The question Blue carefully dodges.....

You keep asking me to tell you why Obama has done what he did- and you are the one who keeps insisting that Obama must have intentionally left that reference in that brochure- so tell me what you think the motivation was- who was he trying to influence- since he was telling all of the United States he was born in Hawaii?

 

No, that case only established that people born in the US of foreign parents who still retained citizenship in their home nation, but who were not on the official business of their home governments (diplomats, soldiers, etc) had NBC status. It did NOT however, establish that those born of US citizens outside of the US, did NOT have NBC status...

 

The Canal Zone was never US soil. It was part of Panama which the US had permission to use as part of a treaty. It never was a US territory, and therefore being born there does not constitute NBC status.

 

I got curious about birth certificates, long form, short form, etc. Not much on the internet so I had to use Wikipedia, not always a reliable source but it has to do.

What I found opens up a new can of worms.

Excerpt:

Question:

Obama had a passport before he became President, did Obama actually have his long forum birth certificate when he applied for his passport ?

If the short form birth certificate isn't acceptable why would Obama release his short form and tell the American people that it is ?

Why did Obama wait over three years to produce his long form birth certificate ?

Over the past few years I've asked people I personally know who were born in Hawaii if they had the short form or long form Hawiian birth certificate, all have the long form. Why didn't Obama ? Again how did Obama get a passport without the long form birth certificate ?

Maybe after Trump becomes POTUS while he's building the Trump Wall he might find time to revive the Obama birth certificate issue ? I hope Trump appoints Joe Arpaio as the Director of ICE.

 

At the time the story was that he lost his original long form so when asked he had to obtain a BC from Hawaii. He could have requested a copy of the original long form but he made a routine request which they now issue the short form for routine request.

 

Panama Canal Zone

Insular area

 

Yes the only way he would have gained his citizenship since he could not through his mother. HAD he been born in Kenya or anywhere then he would not be eligible to be President.

His marriage or marriage's would have nothing to do with it. His father would STILL be his father and a foreign national.

 

Do you think Obama really lost his long form birth certificate or was it just another Obama lie to agitate and divide the people ? Obama is a habituate liar. Obama is also a community organizers and community organizers real job is to agitate and cause trouble.

But I'm sure there are tens of thousand of people every year who have lost or misplaced their birth certificates. But a birth certificate is a document that most people keep in a safe place.

 

JFK
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Both his parents were American and he was born here.

Where do you get this stuff.

 

That's OK, we don't want to be responsible for your ignorance anyway!