Sheriff Arpaio revives birther controversy at Trump rally

TJ was grandfathered

Arthur lied about his father and thats he got in. Had it been know his father had not been naturalized before his birth he would not have gottin on the ticket.

Agnews father was naturalized but after his birth like Arthurs. He slipped through the cracks

 

Okay- to answer your questions in order.
1) If Obama had a passport before he became President, did Obama actually have his long forum birth certificate when he applied for his passport ?

Don't know- don't care. Legally irrelevant- since the State of Hawaii has confirmed that both of his birth certificates are legally valide, authentic AND that he was born in Hawaii

2) If the short form birth certificate isn't acceptable why would Obama release his short form and tell the American people that it is ?

Your own Wiki article contradicts your claim that the short form birth certificate isn't acceptable- lets read that quote again:
Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes.

Note- 'some' 'may not'.

Here is what the actual requirement for proof of citizenship is
http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/passports/first-time.html
Primary Evidence of U.S. Citizenship (You must submit one of the following. Photocopies and notarized copies are not acceptable):

Previously issued, undamaged, and fully valid U.S. Passport (5 year for minors or 10 years for adults)
Certified U.S. birth certificate (must meet all of the following requirements):
Issued by the City, County, or State of birth
Lists bearer's full name, date of birth, and place of birth
Lists parent(s) full names
Has date filed with registrar's office (must be within one year of birth)
Has registrar's signature
Has embossed, impressed, or multicolored seal of registrar
Photocopies and notarized copies are unacceptable

And guess what- Hawaii's short form birth certificate meets all of those requirements.

Why did Obama wait over three years to produce his long form birth certificate ?

The better question is why did he even bother? Barack Obama requested a birth certificate from the State of Hawaii in 2007, showed it to the world in 2008, and Birthers immediately refused to believe it. Why would he expect anyone to believe another official birth certificate in 2011?

In 2011, Birthers had been reduced to the status of 9/11 Truthers- conspiracy nutcases to be ignored- but when Donald Trump decided to flirt with birthers in 2011, revising what was essentially a dead topic, that apparently motivated President Obama to request Hawaii send him a certified photocopy.

Which Birthers once again immediately rejected. So why did Obama request the long form? Clearly it was a waste of time when it came to Birthers- though it did make Trump look like an idiot.

Over the past few years I've asked people I personally know who were born in Hawaii if they had the short form or long form Hawiian birth certificate, all have the long form. Why didn't Obama ? Again how did Obama get a passport without the long form birth certificate ?

Why would Barack Obama? He moved a lot growing up- no particular reason why he had any copy of a birth certificate when he requested Hawaii send him one in 2007. The reason why there is a procedure to request copies of birth certificates is because sometimes people lose theirs.

Oh and as I pointed out that there is no requirement for a long form birth certificate to get a passport.

Maybe after Trump becomes POTUS while he's building the Trump Wall he might find time to revive the Obama birth certificate issue ? I hope Trump appoints Joe Arpaio as the Director of ICE

Don't hold your breath- in 2011 Trump said he was sending a team of investigators to Hawaii to investigate Obama's birth.

And then Trump never mentioned it again.

Because that is what Trump does- and you rube's eat it up.

 

LOL.....the question was which President's had dual citizenship- and Jefferson had dual citizenship- as President.
No one cared that Arthur or Harrison or Agnew was a dual citizen.

Because it was irrelevant.

 

Hawaii doesn't issue the long form any longer. When a request is made for a birth certificate, the only form they will issue is the short form

 

True- you have enough of a burdon with your own ignorance- we can't hold you responsible for anyone elses.

 

He was still a dual citizen.

 

A juvenile response, but what I expected. You have a lot of class, but it's all low.

 

You might want to look at Obama's short form certificate of live birth again, it doesn't meet all of the requirements.

What's missing on the short form certificate?

Registrars signature.

Embossed, impressed, or multicolored seal of registrar.

Place of birth.

Obama's long form does have the registrars signature, has an embossed seal of the registrars and does list the place of birth in Obama's case the Kapipolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital, the short form doesn't have any of the later.

So if the U.S. State Department will not accept Obama's short form certificate of live birth, why should the rest of America ?

If the U.S. Government told the American people a lie that the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi was not a terrorist attack but just some people protesting a video on Youtube, why should we believe the state of Hawaii. Does the state of Hawaii have more credibility than the Obama administration ? That's a tough question to answer.

 

The first 5 were dual citizens but thats why they had a grandfather clause so no one else could do it. What were they supposed to do wait until a person born of 2 US citizens came of age and go without a president until then?

Arthur sure did thats why he lied about all sorts of stuff.

“My father, the late Rev. William Arthur, D.D., was of Scotch blood, and was a native of the North of Ireland. He came to this country when he was eighteen years of age, and resided here several years before he was married.” LIE

Hinman was claiming that Arthur was born in Ireland and had been brought to the United States by his father when he was fourteen. Arthur denied the charge and said that his mother was a New Englander who had never left her native country — a statement every member of the Arthur family knew was untrue.” LIE

On August 16, 1880 Chester Arthur told the Brooklyn Eagle newspaper that at the time of his birth, his father was forty years old. LIE

He lied that his father settled in Vermont and reiterated the lie that William came here at the age of eighteen. This age discrepancy was exposed in the August 19, 1880 edition of the Brooklyn Eagle

He kept the focus on the false claim that he was born in Ireland not the US . Sound familiar?

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What do you expect from after birthers

 

At birth? How was he a dual citizen? He was an NBC thats for certain. What did some nation make him an honorary citizen or do you consider being Catholic to be a citizen of the Papal state ?

 

My point is what other countries citizenship laws are have no relevance to US law, or presidential eligibility. It is settled law that anyone born on US soil is a natural bor citizen, with only 2 exceptions.

 

Like I said- the question is moot- but once again- the claim if he was born outside the United States his mother could not have established his citizenship is unproven- since it has not been and will not be legally challenged.

But if his mother was not legally married- her status as an unmarried mother would have established her child's citizenship regardless of her age.

 

The first 5 were not dual citizens when they were President- only Thomas Jefferson was a dual citizen when he was President. All of the others lost their British citizenship when they rebelled, and foreswore their British citizenship.

Thomas Jefferson was a dual French and American citizen when he was President.

Hence- clearly the 'founders' had not problem with 'dual citizens' being President.

 

No. According to British law they were still British subjects and would have hung had they lost. Their parents were British subjects and so were they. They had plenty of problems with it or they would not need a grandfather clause

http://birthers.org/USC/ArtIIS1.html

 

Tel that to all the US sailors the British claimed as their own. They have plenty as do ours on theirs.

There are tons of exceptions. Aliens who owe allegiance to their mother country being one of them.

It was settled law that only those who are under the total jurisdiction of the US are citizens. Kim Wong was a horrible decision. It ignored precedent. It was also decided while Chester A Arthur was president.

 

Jefferson was born in the US to french parents. That is different than being born in Franch and being being brought to the US a child. The NBC clause and the 14th amendment hold any person born in the US, regardless of their parents, as NBC. The only exceptions are the children of parents on offical government business, such as diplomats and soldiers stationed in the US, and on anyone the children of POW's helding US.

 

Our laws
Have no effect Outside our borders. Just like theirs have no effect inside ours.

Nope. Only 2 exceptions. Wong Kim ark, ankeny v Daniels

Which is every single person insode US borders,ne felt diplomats or invading armies. Plyler v doe

It followed precedent, lol. They specifically cited english common law as the basis.

 

Scroll back the law at the time has been posted several times and it doesn't matter if the parents are married. Obama could ONLY gain his citizenship by his place of birth which he did. Why do you think it was an issue if it was simply a matter of his mother being a citizen, no one ever disputed her citizenship.

 

If you make a standard request. But if they have a long form on file you can request a copy of that form and they are required by law to give you a copy of it. The state cannot deny a copy of ANY document they have that pertains to you that includes long form birth certificates.

 

Nope. Showed you them stating explicitly they will not.

Then argue with the state of Hawaii. They apparently don't know Hawaiian law as well as some Internet birther.

 

And you dont even know what Birthers are, you seem quite clueless here.

So quote me where I have claimed Obama is not a NBC and not eligible to be president or admit you have nothing of substance to admit just lame attempts to label people.

 

You purposefully parrot birther memes. Whether you actually believe any of that nonsense isn't relevant.

 

Looks like they did.

http://www.federalistblog.us/2006/12/us_v_wong_kim_ark_can_never_be_considered/

 

Nope showed you by statutory law the SHALL they have no other choice in the matter.

Did the state of Hawaii have in it's posession a long form birth certificate pertaining to Obama?

Yes

By law they must make that available to him, it is a separate and distinct document from the short form.

"Each agency that maintains any accessible personnel record must make that record available to the individual to whom it pertains in a reasonably prompt manner and in a reasonably intelligible form. Where necessary, the agency must provide a translation into common terms of any machine readable code or any code or abbreviation employed for internal agency use."

Where does it say "except long form birth certificates"?

If you can show where the law says differently or a court has ruled differently then do so. Else argue with the state legislature of Hawaii which passed the law.

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No I haven't but then when your arguments have no merit labeling is all you have left isn't it.

Obama is a natural born citizen, if you have reading comprehension difficulties that's not my problem.

 

Plyler v doe. Everyone inside US borders is subject to the complete jurisdiction of the US. You lose, again