Big Lies for Abortion >>MOD WARNING<<

We do and we were. But those people who have no conscience do not come for treatment, only normally moral people who develop psychosis post abortion. I don't care about women so immoral as not to regret the decision to abort. I post about PAS because it is what many women have, and I show them compassion and empathy and try to help them get on with their lives. <Off-topic>

 

The first study you listed was about suicides in Finland, and it only mentioned psychosis in the introduction, with a rate of 0.3 per 1000 abortions (or 0.03% of abortions), and that is much safer than the correlation with childbirth, which was 1.7 per 1000 births (or 0.17% of births). Psychosis is pretty rare in either case.

Pick a different study if you do not like the results of that one.

 

This statement by you is pantently untrue and disgraceful in its blatant dishonesty

 

By the way PAS is such a fake diagnosis no insurance company will allow you to bill for it. It is right up there with witchcraft. Lol

 

Look at them all before poo pooing just 1.

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Gee! I guess the insurance money we got was not warranted? Because you say so?

 

No, LiveUninhibited is correct. A woman goes to the abortionist to remove the zygote/embryo/fetus before it becomes a child (i.e. before it starts personhood).

 

Regarding studies: If I pick one you might claim that's not the one you meant. I offer you the chance to pick the one you are most confident about.

Regarding PAS: What diagnosis code did you use?

 

That is just untrue. How shameful. You did not bill under PAS. There is no code for it. You just named it something else to get paid. How unethical.

 

I will bet anything this guy has some pastoral counseling degree and he uses it to bible beat patients under the name of psychology. Disgraceful

 

It is proper to condemn a study when it is done under false pretenses. That reminds me. When you pick a study for us to discuss, you might want to avoid any of them done in Finland or Denmark unless you look in the METHODOLOGY or DISCUSSION section and see if the author addressed the risks associated with prostitution (or they might be listed as "sex workers"). If they do not mention them in those countries, then the study is already flawed.

 

Right... psychosis is rare (0.3 per 1000 = 0.03%) and the rate for women who gave birth is higher (1.7 per 1000 = 0.17%).

And Gissler said depression is more common (possibly as high as 41%) but he did not specify "clinical depression" so according to the Mayo Clinic that is the type of depression caused by a loss, such as the death of a loved one, or a medical condition, such as a thyroid disorder.

I did not see anything about PTSD in the study... I assume you understand that the "D" in PTSD does not stand for Depression. Maybe you are thinking of (as http://www.ptsd.ne.gov/what-is-ptsd.html#2 suggests) the fact that some people with PTSD may develop depression (or other disorders), but they are not equivalent.

 

I never said an embryo/early fetus is not human life. I said that until a mind exists it is not a person and a person is what has moral value. Cancer is made up of living cells with human dna and so it is human life, but we do not mourn the death of cancer cells because they are not persons, having no minds of their own.

Uninhibited just means lacking restraints in some way and it can be meant in many ways. Free speech is promotion of uninhibited expression. One can refuse to be inhibited by social norms or traditions too. I am mostly concerned with arbitrary and illogical sources of inhibitions like religion and censorship. You don't have to break laws or be immoral to be uninhibited in some sense.

 

Then you're just preaching...you don't really care about abortion.

I do care about morality, MY OWN. I don't think other people's morality is any of my business and that the way it should be.

 

No moral right, just the right .....and it isn't murder. You even admitted it wasn't really murder when you said you didn't want women punished for it.


There is no "baby" in the womb so you can't protect it's rights.

 

"""""year before Roe v Wade one more woman died from legal abortions than did women who were exposed to illegal abortion""""

How preposterous!

Absolutely no proof of that...


How could there be a legal abortion before RvW?

 

FoxHastings: Oh, my, I though professional psychologists care about people ! I would've thought a professional psychologist wouldn't be so judgmental....or encourage people to feel guilty... I thought YOU thought that it was a bad thing for women to feel guilty after having an abortion....you kept posting all that PAS stuff...and now you sound like you like it and they deserve it...""""

"We" ? NO, you do not speak for anyone but yourself.

NO professional psychologist passes judgement on their patients..

"Normally moral" ? You can only treat "normal " people?

You can only treat people whose morals you approve of ???


I thought a professional psychologist could treat anyone.....other doctors treat everyone....they don't turn people away because of their moral beliefs....

They don't even ASK what patient's moral beliefs are...that's professionalism...

 

Who is Fugazi? Oh, dear, you forgot all his posts to you and you even reported him(and then forgot him?!)


Fugazi addressed your posts starting about page 58...Posts :# 573, 574, 575, 576, 578.....and you missed them ???! How CONVENIENT !

They kicked your position's butt....and you missed them?!!!

 

The BoR specifically stated that individual rights that were not enumerated in the constitution still belong to the people, and yes, that includes abortion.

 

Therefore calling abortion "murder" is also a false flag.

You can't have it both ways.

 

Please stop perpetuating that lie. You have been proven wrong. The vast majority of women who abort have no lasting negative effects.

http://www.apa.org/pi/women/programs/abortion/




And there are no infants in UTERUSES. None, zip, zero, zilch. Ever. Infants are BORN.

infant [in´fant]
a human child from birth (see newborn infant) to the end of the first year of life.

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/infant

 

The search function here does not seem to work across pages (or if it does, I have not figured out how to do so). I see FoxHastings has listed them for you but, for your convenience, I linked (above) several recent posts from Fugazi in case you need an easier way to find them.

 

Women died from legal abortions because they were quite sick when they qualified for the abortion. Remember, the ONLY reason to qualify for a legal abortion was death was expected from the pregnancy. None of those women dying from illegal abortions should have died. Women die from abortions when doctors are afraid to perform them for fear of legal repercussions and they then wait too late, so the woman dies anyway.

 

Excellent point... You had to have a significant health issue to qualify for an abortion. It was a lot like Ireland in that respect. I was against abortion back then, so (as you might expect) I did not know anybody who had an abortion before Roe vs Wade, but I certainly heard rumors that families with money would send their daughters to a big city to "visit a cousin" for a few weeks to recuperate from "health problems." Everybody knew what was really going on, but NONE of it would have been documented. Nobody could possibly know the actual number of abortions that took place before Roe vs Wade. Even deaths could have been covered up as miscarriage gone bad if the abortionist had a friend in the coroner's office, and the family certainly would not want to make an issue of it and confess (a) they had a daughter who "disgraced" the family and (b) they conspired to have an illegal abortion performed.

 

Originally you fallaciously alleged that abortions caused psychosis in 60% of women.

Then you amended that to 20-30%.

Now you are alleging "more than 10%".

Which of your contradictory statements are true and which are false?

 

Any trained professional knows that depression is NOT equivalent to PTSD, instead it is only a symptom of PTSD.

Post partum depression is NOT PTSD because child birth is not equivalent to being in mortal danger.

Post abortion depression is NOT PTSD because abortion is not equivalent to being in mortal danger.

To allege that to be the case is mendacious.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...ess-disorder/basics/risk-factors/con-20022540