Two parties; one supports the police, the other hates cops

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  1. Medieval Man

    Medieval Man Well-Known Member

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    If the Dems don't reel in Black Lives Matter and other leftists they're going to handily lose this election, Trump not withstanding.

    Democrats, in their pandering to the BLM folks, have gone from directing and using the anti-police rhetoric to desperately hanging on to a runaway horse, and their upcoming convention is going to probably make things worse.

    Consider this: The Democratic mayor of a town in MA decides to hang a BLM banner above city hall. This irritates the cops, who demanded he pay respect to the recently assassinated officers in TX and LA:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/23/u...n-city-hall-divides-a-boston-suburb.html?_r=0

    If black terrorists hadn't begun to shoot down police officers in cold blood, this BLM-pandering strategy might have worked. But now, decent people are alarmed that many on the left, including Obama and Hillary, have used rhetoric that at the time might have pleased minorities, but now seems to be choosing sides.

    At next week's convention the rhetoric will be coming fast and furious. The mothers of a number of black men shot by police officers, some killed by actions of their own making and some not, will be sympathetic figures to liberals, but not necessarily to the rest of America.

    Frankly, what is occurring now is very similar to what happened to soldiers and Marines during Vietnam. Regardless of their role in the war, these military people were spit on by leftists, called baby killers and stereotyped as evil people. Fortunately, these horrible actions directed at our military didn't stick the last couple decades, despite of efforts to do so by some members of the left.

    Now, these leftists are in the midst of the same kind of campaign against police officers.

    Depending on how many normal, average Americans tune in and how accurately the convention is reported, this next week could very well cement Trump as the next president...
     
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    Matt84 Well-Known Member

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    Always take the blue pill.
     
  3. Medieval Man

    Medieval Man Well-Known Member

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    And, conventions tend to cater to the extremes of both parties, look no further than the planks of each.

    But as much as Trump provided soundbite fuel for negative ads by Dems, if their convention devolves into an anti-cop rally similar to how the left used to conduct their anti-military rallies, most Americans will be disgusted. And we'll see plenty of this anti-police rhetoric in the Repub ads.

    Already, we're seeing many non-political people doing 'support the blue' stuff throughout the country.

    So, how fast will the Dems pivot, or are they doomed?
     
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    Obama certainly supports the police and the rule of law.. Did you hear him speak yesterday?
     
  5. Medieval Man

    Medieval Man Well-Known Member

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    I did, and it's been noted in many corners he's trying to walk back the rhetoric he's used in the past in supporting BLM.

    Question is, will all the other leftists do so, or will they double down on their anti-police rhetoric?

    It will an interesting convention...
     
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    Surfer Joe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LMAO...Like when the cons went apoplectic over the shooting of the redneck who went for his gun after invading the wildlife sanctuary or when they took the side of the Bundy criminals against the cops?
     
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    Imagine the juxtaposition.

    The GOP had families of dead cops making tributes to the fallen officers.
    The Democrats will have families of dead criminals and paint cops as the bad guys.

    The GOP had families of dead Americans, killed by illegal immigrants.
    The Democrats will have illegal immigrants who haven't raped or murdered yet as victims because they broke our immigration laws.

    The GOP had families and survivors of Benghazi on the stage telling about Crooked Hillary's incompetence and lying to their faces.
    The democrats probably won't mention ISIS, terrorism, emails or Benghazi.

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    Really? I'm pretty sure the cop was justified in shooting that guy. I don't remember anyone taking the side of the idiot who pulled on the cops.
     
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    Maybe Michael Brown's step-daddy can join his Momma on stage and reprise his "let's burn this (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) down" line.

    Sure to be a real crowd-pleaser. :)

     
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    Maybe a few cons but not to the degree the left is about not supporting cops.

    BTW, how many Bundy supporters spoke at the RNC in support of Bundy and against the cops?
     
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    So do you support banning rounds designed to penetrate bulletproof vests?

    If not, why do you hate cops so much?
     
  11. Medieval Man

    Medieval Man Well-Known Member

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    Man, I remember that. A whole bunch of white people burned down that town in Idaho, and white thugs began ambushing federal agents, killing what, about a dozen in that one attack?

    Oh, what's that?

    You're correct! That never happened.

    So nice try at moral relativism.

    But answer this, do you think the Democrats are going to go all in with their anti-police sentiment at their convention?
     
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    Medieval Man Well-Known Member

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    This is why anti-gun people look foolish when trying to debate gun issues.

    Virtually any rifle round will penetrate body armor. Which is why it's called body armor, not a 'bullet proof vest.' :roll:

    So you are proposing banning all hunting rifles? Or are you simply pretending to care about police officers to promote an anti-Second Amendment agenda?
     
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    Your not American, I can understand you wanting to take our freedoms. Your just jealous.
     
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    toddwv Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This may surprise you, but some of us don't sleep with our guns. I know, I know... shocking isn't it?
     
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    Medieval Man Well-Known Member

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    You apparently don't even own a firearm, from your lack of knowledge. And you didn't respond: should all hunting rifles be banned, as the rounds most of these rifles shoot will defeat body armor? Knives will also, as will arrows.
     
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    "Two parties; one supports the police, the other hates cops "

    why do republicans hate the police?
     
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    Which illustrates the incredible waste involved in buying armor for police or military
     
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    toddwv Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are correct. I do not own a gun. Never have. I've just never been a big enough (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) to be paranoid 24/7.
     
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    What anti-police rhetoric?
     
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    You have to love how liberals will twist facts to create rhetoric. In other words, they don't the facts get in the way of a good lie.

    The Bureau of Land Management (the real BLM) is known as shady deal central. If there is land to steal by the Government, they will be there to steal it. In the Cliven Bundy case, they weren't only stealing land, they were also attempting to illegally steal the man's cattle. The BLM had a court order that allowed them to impound Bundy's cattle, but they instead worked out a deal with an auction house in Utah. They intended to steal the cattle, transport them to Utah and sell them off. This went far beyond that allowed by the court order. This was an attempt at good old cattle rustling. When the Oath Keepers supporting Bundy took their stand, it wasn't against the local police. It was against a paramilitary force that the BLM had built during the Obama Administration. Just for the record. the reason for that standoff was the fact that the BLM had relocated some endangered turtles from their natural habitat in Las Vegas, to the land that the ranchers was leasing, They then told the ranchers that they had to cut their herds because of the turtles.

    The second issue that you have included in your twisted statement, is the occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon by a group led by Ammon Bundy. Ammon Bundy is the son of Cliven Bundy. While many of us supported the reason for the standoff (see Hammond Arson case), we did not support the occupation of land that did not belong to any member of the group. It is one thing to take a stand on your own property. It is another to take a stand on public land..

    In the case of Cliven Bundy ranch, it a situation of standing up against the tyranny of the Federal Government, In the Oregon case it was a clear terrorist action, and was not condoned by most Republicans. So, get your facts straight before posting.
     
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    That is really the best that you can do? It is illegal to shoot cops. It is illegal to resist the cops when they attempt to arrest you. We support the laws already on the books, and do not whine then they are enforced. We support the rights of cops to protect themselves.

    When your arrested, there are two things that you can do. You can not resist, and if the arrest in unjustified get a lawyer and sue them. Or you can fight the cops, and possibly die in the process. The smart man doesn't resist. The dumb man resists and dies.
     
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    The fact that this is included in the DNC convention is proof how far to the left the Democrats have gone. This is yet another issue that will split their party. This with the revelation of the DNC working to undermine Sander's campaign should be enough to scuttle any chance Hillary has of getting elected. As a matter of fact, many moderate liberals have taken exception to her choice of VP. Her base is shrinking by the day.. While Trumps is growing. Gays for Trump. Latino's for Trump.
     
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    LMAO...Thanks for playing. I knew someone would trot out to glorify the Bundy criminals and excuse their actions. You people are nothing if not predictable.

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    And illiterates for Trump as well, it seems.
     
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    Except for the fact that there is no evidence whatsoever that BLM is anti-polce this makes sense. When challenged on this all that can be found is individual statements by an occasional member which the republicans then pretend represents the actual BLM movement.
     
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    Black Lives Matter is a social movement that the Democratic Party does not control, any more than the Republican Party can force the neo-nazi Daily Stormer or white supremacist American Freedom Party to withdraw their endorsements of Trump.

    Alleging that either Party "hates" cops is the equivalent of saying that one "hates" Black Americans.

    Hyper-partisans may resort to such nonsense, but normal folks ignore it.
     

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