Do you support eugenics?

Actually, you probably can. Most of what we refer to as morality is a set of innate cognitive circuitry that varies between individuals. You definitely breed people to have different moral/political inclinations.

in fact, theoretically, you can probably breed for just about any human trait.

Yes, it is a genetic disorder.

Sometimes, it can manifest itself in adolescence, and this is apparently a more aggressive form.

http://hdsa.org/living-with-hd/juvenile-onset-hd/

I cannot emphasize how monstrous that kid was--as bad anyone you can imagine and capable of anything.

 

Eugenics assumes that if we murder or sterilize everyone with a genetic disorder, such folks won't just naturally occur again due to random mutations.

I believe they will.

 

'The wicked' include murderers, criminals and despots with high IQs too. Mao, Stalin, Richard Loeb, Nathan Leopold, Edmund Kemper, Dawood Ibrahim, Meyer Lansky, Gerald Blanchard, Adam Worth, Al Capone, Ted Bundy and many more. The Zodiac killer (has never been caught).

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Yes OR maybe some disease far worse.

 

East Asians are the only people scoring higher than whites, aside from European Jews, who are also white.

This claim is completely baseless and without merit.

 

No not really, I do indeed give my actual opinions here.

I'm really here for a good debate.

 

I've specifically stated I'm against criminals having kids too.

With that said, criminals typically score lower IQ scores, and also if everyone was smarter, it would be easier to compete with the intelligent, and wicked.

 

Actually, his comments reflect an honest attempt to debate people--that you are offended by his positions is irrelevant. I've seen him put his positions out there and defend them more than many posters do.

 

I'm generally rather polite, and civil, actually usually it's my opponents which are less polite, and civil.

Much of my comments are very factual, and I'm indeed concerned with the subjects I frequently bring up.

 

this thread failed as soon as it used the term "Eugenics".

if you want to promote healthier and more intelligent human beings, call it Constructive Family Planning

 

Eugenics is merely a philosophy which promotes increasing genetic quality.

With that said, there's many ways which eugenics can be implemented.

I happen to think that the way Humans are is generally slightly more genetic than environment.

I know that bothers many people, but from what I've seen in this day in age, the environment has improved so much, and yet people have improved, but still there's lots of problems.

 

No, it didn't.

Nothing is off-limits or unworthy of discussion as long as people are backing up their positions.

The logic of eugenics is impeccable, if not always compatible with some ethical systems.

 

Please don't pay stupid people to breed.

 

That's kind of happening now, people on welfare get more welfare if they have more kids.

Much of the welfare population is stupid, not all, there's the crazies, and yes some misfortunate good quality individuals too.

However, on the whole welfare recipients aren't the best, and brightest.

 

the history of Eugenics makes the supporting of the philosophy unacceptable in any civil, moral society.

 

What about the history of greed?

Colonialism is a completely greed motivated monstrosity.

Criminals from some thug who shoots up a bank he robbed, to a swindler Ponzi schemer are also greed motivated.

Yet, in society we don't have a knee JERK reaction to greed, like we do racism, or eugenics.

The implications are clear, people have been conditioned, and brainwashed.

Sorry to say, but we're just as brainwashed in America, as the Soviets, or the Nazis were.

I used to not think so, but now I can see it clearly that in the U.S.A people have been brainwashed by the Liberal agenda.

 

Not really. It was hastily applied before the principles of genetics and inheritance were well understood, not to mention the lack of good instruments and criteria to determine fitness.

It is far too soon to say eugenics can't be done, both ethically and fruitfully. It was brutally administered in the past, as were MANY things, but it doesn't have to be.

 

Yeah, the ones that get CAUGHT!!! Duh!!

 

Eugenics targeted certain racial/ethnic groups, deemed "unfit".

if you want to promote the growth of healthier and more intelligent kids, call it "Family Planning" and focus on nutrition, good education, good role models,

 

I disagree, I think more intelligent people think things through more, are less impulsive etc.

Therefor they think through the implications of going to jail.

Not all of course.

Oh, and I also think that empathy is more prevalent in intelligent individuals, because empathy requires intellectual thought.

So, yes I do also think intelligent people are more likely to be empathetic to others, which makes them less likely to be criminal.

Not all of course either.

But, absolutely nations with higher IQ's typically have lower murder rates.

 

Yeah, well Social Democracy is close to that, and yet the PISA scores of Sweden are sliding down at a rapid rate, which Sweden follows a similar agenda.

It's so obvious why, Sweden rewards the stupid in their society with more money if they have more kids.

 

The first was a mistake. People should be evaluated based on more objective criteria, regardless of race.

The second is obvious, but this isn't easy to do in America. We have a very weak culture that is only made weaker by the mainstream media and the culture it perpetuates.

It is profitable to scare people, make them afraid, distrustful, and a number of other terrible things.

 

and what if you have a group of people that have suffered from centuries of discrimination, poverty, poor education, poor nutrition, and just happen to have lower IQs?

you gonna nueter them all even though their situation may be the result of horrible circumstances and not purely genetics?

 

So...At what point do you consider people to be 'more intelligent'...That's a pretty flimsy premise if you ask me.

Since empathy is also present in the animal kingdom your premise is faulty. Empathy has more to do with upbringing and internal neural brain structure. Empathy is a NORMAL characteristic in almost every human being. You are trying to expand the definition of a mental disease in order to falsely claim those that you don't personally like should be sterilized.

 

But, didn't your Jews suffer through discrimination, poverty etc. in America too?

Didn't the same happen to Chinese, Polish, Japanese, Italians,and Irish Catholics as well?

So, how come these groups didn't end up like Puerto Ricans, or Blacks?

 

bring hundreds of thousands of people to the USA as slaves.

make it illegal for them to learn to read or go to school.

rip their families apart.

....then free them from slavery

institute an extreme system of Apartheid, which mandates they have horrible schools, cant get into many colleges.

import tens of millions of immigrants to the slave-descendents don't get good entry level jobs.

....then make discrimination illegal.

meanwhile the people are stil stuck in the horrible neighborhoods, lack of good jobs.

and then, you decide that these people have poor test scores and high crime rates, NOT due to centuries of discrimination.....but simply due to their genetics.

and decide to neuter them all, or most of them.


you know what this sounds like? genocide.