Final Battle Starting To Free Aleppo From Terrorists- As Per UN Resolution

This is another lie. Russian media is almost 100% private and some of it is even owned by the Department of State. )) Its a kind of 'Russia today', but it is dramatically unpopular, because of spreading the same lies as they are feeding you. You see, some people... especially young and\or inexperienced... especially people driven by the best of intentions and caring about innocent kids and women (hopefully not meaning anything sexist) can only be deceived if they know NOTHING about the subject of propaganda. But when US propaganda tries to make me think that white is actually black contradicting the facts I see every day - they have no chance even though Putin might not be a holy man.

 

There is no NATO presence in Syria and I do not need to research that. Perhaps as you are making the claim and asking me to find proof that is not there to find, you can provide it from where you have it hidden.

 

To be honest, I think the Syrian air force bombed the White Helmet set ups in E. Aleppo in retaliation for the 20 aid workers they killed when they destroyed the aid convoy. If the Syrian air force didn't, they should have.

The White Helmets are nothing but a bunch of head choppers posing as humanitarians. Enough is enough!

 

Turkey, Germany, France, UK and US are all NATO members operating in Syria. To say there is no NATO presence in Syria due to a lack of the NATO flag is a moot point because of article 5.

Edit: Oops .... I forgot Denmark.

 

I tried to find official information in english.but it is not that easy to find such an unimportant info in tons of emotions about the words of Trump about women. The info is taken from the site http://www.theisraelproject.org/update-military-assets-in-the-middle-east/

The check can be done by yourself. Nato bases in Turkey Incirlik is the main base. Apart from russians it is a good base built without hectic and conditions of war. Plus 2 aircarriers each possessing more airpower than the group of russian planes.
Also note this article http://nationalinterest.org/feature/why-the-united-states-should-exercise-restraint-before-17919 which tells about the actual forces of NATO, capabilities and risks.

Unfortunately you don't have that much information, because you don't have media nowadays. If you could read russian sources the way I can (and do) read american - it would greatly broaden your horizons.

 

I see...so you cannot back up your claim, count me amazed.

 

I think that would never be final,
the cycle of carnage will go on a peaceful solution will finalize everything, but the greatest debacle is the interest of the US and that of Russia.

 

You mistake ownership for government control. Its called controlling the editorial direction of a publication/outlet and Vladdie and the boys have made it very clear that a "little criticism" is okay but a lot gets you killed.

I do agree that propaganda is not well understood by most of the hoi polloi that are subjected to it on a daily basis.

 

I am basing this on actual facts.

Is this story a lie?

 

Oh they clearly stated why they are bombing the crap out of Alleppo, when they exercised their veto in the UNSC of the resolution for Russia to stop their bombing campaign.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/08/russia-vetoes-un-resolution-syria-bombing-aleppo

Can't get any more hypocritical than that.

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Wow, there's a projection for you.

 

Why did Russia veto the French sponsored resolution that was submitted before Russia came back with its lame political ploy "alternative resolution"?

The reasons that the Russian President of the UNSC gave for exercising the veto were rather lame.

So tell us all why a cessation of all aerial bombing operations is such a bad thing that russia felt obliged to veto a resolution calling for them to stop their carnage?

 

We all remember no-fly zone in Lybia. To put it mildly it would be not wise to do the same mistake again.

 

Oh the West is very good at doing that! Lots of practice I guess!!

 

Let's try to see what is a hypocricy. The civil war in Syria cost around 300 000 of lives so far. There was not a single attempt of NATO countries to bring in any wonderful resolution that would aim at peace in the country. ISIS did ethnic and religious cleansings, killed kids and women and the authors of the no-fly zone did nothing to stop that. For years. Nothing. At the cost of hundreds of thousands of people's lives. At the same time when the Assad forces are near the victory which would bring peace into the region strengthening the regime which is not acceptable to NATO leadership they finance the campaign to fight for lives of people in Alleppo. Some hundreds of innocent people... Dozens of lies get to propaganda influenccing the weak-minded propaganda-eaters. It has been proved here already that a great number of these episodes are falsified.

Let's have a closer look at resolution. It denies the right of Assad army and their russian allies to use planes in the war. But NATO planes are not giving this rights away. So the resolution in fact means the necessity for the sides of civil war to fight and kill each other (together with inevitable losss among non-combatants, which are killed by mines, artillery and gunshells as well) for a longer period of titme with much more casualities in exchange for political victory of NATO countries.

Can it be called anything but the biggest and meaniest hypocricy in the world history? If it can - tell me.

 

I am sorry. Are you able to read English and to comprehend the reading? If you can - reread my post and look at the data I provided. Please, mind that I cannot provide a link to propaganda media which never told any truth about the conflict. There is no such info. The official wev-site of NATO doesn't provide this information. The information needs to be collected. Which means that if you see a name of the ship in the picture, you can CHECK where this or that vessel is actually located. And if it is near the shores of Syria - the picture is right. If it is in Baltimore - the information is false. If the only 'truth' for you is something which is blown to your head when your spread your ears and eyes you just mix the truth and propaganda and I can't help you.

 

I kinda figured that out.

 

The general problem is at least the definition of what is a terrorist group and what not, because here the point of view is so different between the depending countries that these unclear and total different ratings make any attempt for stopping the fighting ridiculous! You can’t make Step #3 before #1 is total unclear!

Excurse

A.
For Assad regime is everything what is not yelling “Hail Assad” and fighting them a terrorist group.
B.
From Russia is only about Al Nusra the wording and practically they fight them in priority by making no difference between FSA and Al Nusra too … what is honestly often not easy too!
C.
Al Nusra is of course a terror organization at least, because until end of July 2016 part of Al Qaida and only separated “officially” since them to get a more white shirt or so…
But when out of 10 Russian air attacks 8 are against Al Nusra and only 2 against ISIS, then someone can think strange about.. why? Al Qaida and ISIS are both evil terrorists, no doubts, but both are in war against each other and so some variant of the old saying “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” behind this un-touching of ISIS with bombings from Russia, eh?
D.
Even they are not worldwide counted or officially by UN rated to be a terror organization, we have Hezbollah fighting side to side with both, Russia and Assad regime. I will not start any discussion if they are now, but it shows very good the separation of rating what is a terrorist group and what not!
E.
And this can be followed and extended to the Al Nusra too, because that they are supported by Erdogan regime of Turkey is an open secret. We have only to remember the scandal around the Turkish newspaper Cum Huriyet when they reported alone about an official police raid at Turkish-Syrian border when they catch a truck convoy full of weapons and supplies for Al Nusra which was driven and guarded by Turkish secret service. Journalist, prosecutor and heading police officer and others of this issue were jailed by Erdogan regime later (and far before the witch hunting after latest military coup some month ago). So rating of Al Nusra in Turkey not really to be terrorists at least…eh?
F.
Same issue is at least given, when we look to the long border off Turkey to ISIS controlled area. The border control between Texas and and Arizona is more intense as the Turkish control!
This opens the question why so uncontrolled when the nearly same long border line to Kurdish controlled area is becoming like between North and South Korea … eh?
G.
Kurdish PKK and their sisters of YPD and Syria are for Turkey a red cloth as we all know and it is fact that Turkey is bombing the crap out of both and more … but the main enemy of them = ISIS is in comparison same sort untouched as by Russia with their main enemy Al Nusra … whicj is again supported by Turkey on the other hand! Same sort of old saying “enemy of my enemy is my friend” given in Ankara too?


I know, several and not only few people are so deep “Anti-USA” in their mind, that the USA is guilty for everything in the first … even for bad weather of course.
But the main mess causing side of the “West” is here Turkey and not the USA (by exception) … and Turkey is not playing the political chess figure for Washington with it, because they (the Erdogan regime) are acting in pure interest in the first and then after in combination with their main ally USA.
But that does not mean that the USA, as well France and Britain have a white shirt here … their shird is blood red too! They supported in their stupidity everything what is against Assad directly with asking no questions … as they did in Libya too when bashing the Gadhafi regime … and so supporting worst terrorists too!
So until it is not separated and clarified who is for whom a terrorist and until this is not put on a same rating for all and from all, we will have no ending when everyone is supporting and accepting the “enemies enemy” in his mind!

But … shame on Russia must be done too! Aleppo is a 250,000 people city and no one can tell seriously that they are all terrorists of Al Nusra! And no can deny the bombings done by Russia and Assad regime, because they are fact and to bomb a city full of civilians this way is always a crime! Any Russia supporter telling otherwise or denying this, should shut up with any critics of US bombings in the past too, because even this was a crime too, it was not otherwise as what Russia does now!

 

The French bill was a propaganda ruse to deceive the people into thinking that Russia doesn't want the bombing to stop. Of course Russia doesn't want to stop killing the terrorists, after all they're holding the civilians in E. Aleppo hostage? The bill was purely a publicity stunt without any concern towards the people living in Aleppo.

In contrast the bill that Russia offered was suggested by the UN envoy to Aleppo. It said that Al Nusra could leave Aleppo with their arms, and they would be escorted out by the UN. This would have allowed a peace deal to be made and aid to get into the city.

Now compare the bills when it comes to humanitarian concerns which the western propagandists keep screaming about. The one gives support to the terrorists who are ethnically cleansing and beheading Christians and Yezidis and others in order to turn it into a pure Wahabbi Sunni state, and the other allows them to leave and give the city back to the Syrian people.

 

Yep keep spinning out those fantasies. I guess it hasn't crossed your mind that Russia and Assad ARE ACTIVELY COMMITTING GENOCIDE and ETHNIC CLEANSING.

Do you earn rubles or dollars?

 

The big problem here is Saudi Arabia who is aligned with Al Nusra and ISIS and wants Syria for the extension of its Wahhabi caliphate... They were promised the oil rich areas by Washington... as if it was theirs to give away. As Thierry Meissan said in Voltairenet, the Kingdom knows they can't fight Russia alone, so they want the US to enter the war.

The kingdom has thrown billions into overthrowing the secular Assad government and killing off the hundreds of thousands of Christians, Yazidis and others, as well as billions to the refugees to migrate to Europe in order to bring Syria into its caliphate... And like a poker player who keeps throwing good money after bad, the kingdom refuses to accept it was all in vain. Who knows what threats they have made like for instance; withdrawing its money from the banks, or stopping the oil supplies to the EU.

So now the idiots in Washington are discussing on whether to go to war in Syria, when there should be no discussion. Russia has said that any unauthorized flight into Syria will be shot down ...and unlike us Russia does not make idle threats. It's considered a weakness. So in order to support the same terrorists who want to kill us, Washington is ready to throw us into a nuclear war.

 

Of course there is genocide, it's been going on since the war began by Al Nusra and Isis against the Christians? Hundreds of thousands suffered the head chopping bit ...if not something worse like crucifixion.

 

First, what you've quoted from the story are disjointed sentences strung together that gives a false impression. Anyone can click on the link and see for themselves.

To point out just a couple of things:

The bomb that rolled down into the er did not explode, according to the story.

The doctor writing the story says that all the injured brought in were women and children. Not a single adult male among them. For indiscriminate bombing, what are the odds?

Is this story true or propaganda? In this case, I don't know. There's no way to verify it.

I do want to point out another, very egregious example of propaganda recently employed. In August, 15 Aleppo physicians wrote a letter to Obama urging him to do something about the situation in Aleppo. Among the signatories are 6 pediatricians.

The problem with that is, according to western news accounts, the last pediatrician in Aleppo was killed back in April. Google it yourself. You'll see numerous articles about it.

Here's the letter:

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Dear President Obama,

We are 15 of the last doctors serving the remaining 300,000 citizens of eastern Aleppo. Regime troops have sought to surround and blockade the entire east of the city. Their losses have meant that a trickle of food has made its way into eastern Aleppo for the first time in weeks. Whether we live or die seems to be dependent on the ebbs and flows of the battlefield.

We have seen no effort on behalf of the United States to lift the siege or even use its influence to push the parties to protect civilians. For five years, we have faced death from above on a daily basis. But we now face death from all around.For five years, we have borne witness as countless patients, friends and colleagues suffered violent, tormented deaths. For five years, the world has stood by and remarked how 'complicated' Syria is, while doing little to protect us. Recent offers of evacuation from the regime and Russia have sounded like thinly-veiled threats to residents - flee now or face annihilation ?

Last month, there were 42 attacks on medical facilities in Syria, 15 of which were hospitals in which we work. Right now, there is an attack on a medical facility every 17 hours. At this rate, our medical services in Aleppo could be completely destroyed in a month, leaving 300,000 people to die.

What pains us most, as doctors, is choosing who will live and who will die. Young children are sometimes brought into our emergency rooms so badly injured that we have to prioritize those with better chances, or simply don't have the equipment to help them. Two weeks ago, four newborn babies gasping for air suffocated to death after ablast cut the oxygen supply to their incubators. Gasping for air, their lives ended before they had really begun.Despite the horror, we choose to be here. We took a pledge to help those in need.

Our dedication to this pledge is absolute. Some of us were visiting our families when we heard the city was being besieged. So we rushed back - some on foot because the roads were too dangerous. Because without us even more of our friends and neighbors will die. We have a duty to remain and help. Continued US inaction to protect the civilians of Syria means that our plight is being wilfully tolerated by those in the international corridors of power. The burden of responsibility for the crimes of the Syrian government and its Russian ally must therefore be shared by those, including the United States, who allow them to continue.

Unless a permanent lifeline to Aleppo is opened it will be only a matter of time until we are again surrounded by regime troops, hunger takes hold and hospitals' supplies run completely dry.Death has seemed increasingly inescapable.We do not need to tell you that the systematictargeting of hospitals by Syrian regime and Russian warplanes is a war crime. We do not need to tell you that they are committing atrocities in Aleppo.

We do not need tears or sympathy or even prayers, we need your action. Prove that you are the friend of Syrians.

The letter was signed by the following names: Dr. Abu Al Baraa, Pediatrician Dr. Abu Tiem, Pediatrician Dr. Hamza, Manager Dr. Yahya, Pediatrician and head of Nutrition Program Dr. Munther, Orthopedics Dr. Abu Mohammad, General Surgeon Dr. Abu Abdo, General Surgeon Dr. Abd Al Rahman, Urologic Resident Dr. Abu Tareq, ER Doctor Dr. Farida, OBGYN Dr Hatem, Hospital Director Dr. Usama, Pediatrician Dr. Abu Zubeir, Pediatrician Dr. Abu Maryam, Pediatric Surgeon Dr. Abo Bakr, Neurologist

 

If nato got involved, it would amount to a war between Russia and Nato. Is that what you want?

And I think you missed something rather significant in post.
NATO isn't bombing civilians and leveling cities in Syria like the Russians and Assads forces are. Guess that's just a small and insignificant fact that can be ignored.

 

The overall goal profited up is "we had to free them". The justification for an attack that ends up killing civilians is normally that there were bad guys (Terrorists is the latest term de jour ) hiding among civilians (collateral damage)

The real war is a propaganda war. The US and Israel are the best. These two pretty much invented modern propaganda in relation to justifying the killing of civilians.

 

Brilliant answer. Shuffling the words, ignoring the facts and remaining as ignorant as you were in the beginning. Very typical for post-modern world.