House oversight committee: Flynn might have broken the law

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  1. Boilermaker55

    Boilermaker55 Well-Known Member

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    Wrong!

     
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    Proof of a crime that is being prosecuted please, a link maybe?
     
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    I'd have much more confidence that we would get the truth from an unbiased and independent investigation, than anything we will get from Congressional committees, but partisanship will prevent an independent investigation requiring a law and Presidential signature.

    Help us, Obi-wan JComey! :p

    I do have a good bit of confidence in Comey and I understand him not talking about evidence that, at this time, is classified or that would compromise further, deeper investigation. I've seen a couple of Congressmen say that much more definitive information has been made available to the Gang of 8. So, we wait.
     
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    No one wants them to. No one will accept that. Heads must roll. I just don't think you'll be happy with the heads on the chopping block ...
     
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    You should go back and listen to Comey's first press conference about it.

    He laid out a loooooong list of what she did wrong, then said she didn't intend to do it.

    Bury your head, believe what you want, but it did happen. You have been informed.
     
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    What Comey laid out could have gotten her fired, if she had still been working at State. What Comey laid out would not have landed her in jail. There is a difference in doing something wrong and doing something illegal. Without intent, there was no crime.

    Mishandling of classified information happens all the time. They had to change the way they were briefing the Trump transition team, because they found highly sensitive classified documents were being copied and removed from the SCIF. As far as I can find, no one has been fired, and certainly no one has gone to jail, for doing that either.

     
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    According to the written law, more could have happened as well.
     
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    If you're referring to Clinton, no one has ever been prosecuted using "gross negligence" under the Espionage Act. To do so, while she was running for President, would have set a new precedent and have the appearance of being politically motivated, because it would have been.

    For those outraged that Clinton is not in jail for mishandling classified information, they should be just as outraged, if not more, at the Trump transition team coping and removing classified documents from the SCIF, but I don't ever read anything about that here.
     
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    Please elaborate and stick to actual facts.....the law also considers intent as well as intent to deceive which is what this thread also eludes to, Flynn lied to the FBI while being questioned.....why did he?
     
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    No more than anyone else but the fact remains Russia has for decades tried tobjnfluence elsctions why do you pretend thisnis something new?
     
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    No one cares about Flynn. If he's guilty, he needs to pay.
     
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    Your conjecture and suppositions are not fact and no one has been able to explain how this alleged influence on the outcome even manifestifed itself. And they FBI has presented no evidence or made any statements of some sort of coordination or collusion. Yes it is sour grapes did you hear Cli tons interview and speech this week. Hillary lost because she was a lousy candidite with no message or attraction whobhad engages in extreme carelessness at best in the handling of highly classifies information and lied about it. That had mothing to do with the Russians.
     
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    Big fan of the fluff, yes!
     
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    Discount things as you see fit, but that won't change facts. There is no doubt that Wikileaks coordinated the release of information at times that benefitted Trump. That indicates collusion. When Wikileaks dumped Podesta's emails within an hour of Trump's grabbing video release, there was little doubt. I haven't ever said that Trump, himself, participated in collusion with Russia. The investigations, FBI and Congressional, are ongoing. Because we aren't privy to all the evidence collected that certainly doesn't mean there is no evidence of collusion. At this time, there is no definitive evidence available publicly, but there certainly is circumstantial evidence of collusion.

    You can sing the song "Hillary lost" all day, if you like, but that doesn't change the fact of Russian influence in this election with the purpose to elect Trump. It's disappointing to me that, for partisan reasons, many Americans are willing to dismiss another country influencing our election.
     
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    Again pure supposition of any collusion or coordiation with the Teump campaign. Russia has always engaged in propaganda and influence around the world if you are so nieve as to not realize that I can't help you. What affected the Clinton campaign and lost the election was Clinton starting with her term as SecState through her disclosure of her attempts to skirt the law and federal rules through her reckless endangerment of our national security to her pompus campaigning as if she were owed the Presidency. Trying to blame it on the Russians is folly that will cost the Democrats in the next election.
     
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    Uhh... hate to prick your hope bubble there Bud:

    Gorka happily continues at the White House because PRESIDENT Trump rightly values him as a robust communicator of the administration’s no-nonsense anti-terrorism, anti-ISIS policies.

    Maybe some of the news you get from twitter might be erroneous?
     
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    So, in your opinion, Wikileaks releasing Podesta's emails within an hour of the "grabbing" tape going public had nothing to do with the Trump campaign? Seriously?

    Russia has never used "active measures" against the US like they did in this election. Are you aware that there was an army of Russian trolls employed to spread disinformation? Are you aware that bots were used to link propaganda to social media?

    I've never said Clinton ran a perfect campaign, or that she didn't make mistakes. She obviously ignored some things she shouldn't have ignored and she made some serious mistakes in the campaign, but there is no doubt that Russia was also trying to hurt her campaign, to Trump's benefit. If you don't see that, I can't help you, but most Americans do. Therefore I have some hope that we will get to the bottom of what was done and find ways to prevent it from happening in the future, no matter the partisanship of the candidates. Most people see that if it can happen to a Democrat this time, it can happen to a Republican next time, and it shouldn't happen at all.

    I'm not a Democrat. If the Democrats win or lose in the next election, I want it to be because the American people voted that way, not because another country interfered.
     
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    Does Gorka have a security clearance? How do you function as a National Security Aide without a security clearance? What do you do all day, if you don't know what's going on?

    Maybe you remember a guy named Flynn that had the "full confidence" and support of the President right before he was asked to resign? If Gorka was to be removed from the White House, and it certainly was considered, the consideration came from Trump… just as Trump supported Flynn, right up to the point he fired him.
     
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    Gorka happily continues at the White House as PRESIDENT Trump's valued robust communicator of the administration’s no-nonsense anti-terrorism, anti-ISIS policies.

    Who sold you on the "fact" that he was leaving? Are you disappointed that they misinformed you?
     
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    You didn't answer my question. Does Gorka have a security clearance? How do you do the job of National SECURITY Aide, if you don't have a clearance? Why doesn't he have a security clearance?
     
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    Have you retracted your false assertion that he was leaving the WH?
     
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    Gorka can't get a security clearance and is a National Security aide.............things that make you go hummmmmm :D. A plant or total incompetent administration.
     
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