I am pro-gun - ask me anything...

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  1. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    Cool!
    I own all of my dad's guns now, but I owned the M1A before that came to pass :)
     
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    T_K_Richards Well-Known Member

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    Then you didn't legally own the vehicle.
     
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    It varies state by state. In most southern states, no registration is required unless you want to drive on public roads.

    Registration has led to confiscation in California, for example. The other major problem is just data management. Canada attempted to start a long gun registration. It was an utter failure and was abandoned less than 15 years after it was put into law.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/daniel...gistering-long-guns-and-gave-up/#2a57ad685a1b
     
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    Although It is not possible to predict the effect that eliminating or decreasing the blackmarket for firearms would have on gun violence. Something like 95% of murders with a firearm are committed by guns purchased illegally. It is pretty obvious that if we can decrease the number of illegally sold or owned firearms then gun violence would potentially have a significant decrease. You can ignore that, but that just makes you willfully ignorant.
     
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    Canada continues its handgun registration though
     
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    Canada continues its handgun registration though
     
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    I surely did, in every sense of the word.
     
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    I looked and can't find any evidence of being able to own a car without some kind of registration. I know some of you all get pissed when I ask for proof, but can you provide some for your claim?
     
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    I am not attacking the right. I am trying to understand why people make the choice to own a gun.

    That said, I think there is a difference in purchasing and reading books - contra purchasing and using a gun.
    Looking at them as tools of human hand, the latter can be mortal, the former not so much.
     
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    Since the majority of gun violence is committed with a handgun that is probably all we need to concern ourselves with. I can't find any evidence for being able to own a car without somehow registering it. Can you provide some?
     
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    The black market, by definition, lies outside the law. Thus, gun laws can have no effect on the black market.
    One a registered gun makes it onto the black market, any benefit of registration is lost - thus, registration can only have a benefit with the legal owner is involved, and then only in the prosecution after the commission of a crime.
     
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    It can be traced back to the last transaction. That is the problem we currently have, most guns that end up in the black market are sold with no proof of who sold it or who bought it.
     
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    Anyone possessing a registered gun used in a crime will have to answer for where he got it.
     
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    The state of Ohio, like most, if not all others, only requires the registration of a vehicle when it is used (including being parked) on state roads. If you have it in your garage, your barn, your yard, it need not be registered.
    Feel free to point out the part of the ORC that says otherwise.
     
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    99.999% of the time this will not matter, as firearms often trade hands on the black market.
    The fact the police find a gun that was lost of stolen 2 years ago does nothing to deter crimes by those who obtained the gun illegally.
     
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    Most guns in the black market are sold by criminals to other criminals. There is no way that registration will effect them at all.
     
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    So if I rephrased and left out "feel" - would I get the same response?

    Also find it interesting that feelings dont matter at all.
     
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    Some one got it first. And you can plea bargain all the way back to where it came out of the factory
     
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    Again you can't back up your claim and so it comes to me to prove a negative. That's just not how debate works.

    The title of ownership has to be proven to the DMV if you don't do this you don't own the vehicle. You may not call it registration, but thats what it is.
     
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    There are hundreds of millions of guns that there are no records of.
     
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    Maybe they believe that they have the right to self-defense.

    Note that I am personally not a gun-owner. But I support the 2nd amendment, though.
     
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    It would deter people who sell guns from gun stores illegally. You might not be aware of it, but this is a major problem. The vast majority of guns used in crimes are not stolen they are sold illegally. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/guns.html
     
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    I asked you to prove your claim that I am required by the state of Ohio to register my car, even though it was stored in a shop for 2 years.
    Please begin.
     
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