I am pro-gun - ask me anything...

Ownership of a vehicle is determined by the title. The state does not give you ownership unless you transfer the title. The state knows who owns every vehicle because of this. This may not be what we typically refer to as a vehicle registration, but for the purposes of the firearm registry it applies. A title showing ownership would enable us to track gun sales.

http://www.bmv.ohio.gov/titles-used.aspx
http://www.bmv.ohio.gov/titles-new.aspx

 

Text from your source, in italics:

Wachtel says one of the most common ways criminals get guns is through straw purchase sales.
How will registration deter someone already willing to commit a federal felony?

The next biggest source of illegal gun transactions where criminals get guns are sales made by legally licensed but corrupt at-home and commercial gun dealers.
How will registration deter someone already willing to commit a federal felony?

Another large source of guns used in crimes are unlicensed street dealers who either get their guns through illegal transactions with licensed dealers, straw purchases, or from gun thefts
How will registration deter someone already willing to commit a federal felony?

 

Isn't it quite easy to sand off the serial number on a firearm? I have heard that one just needs some power tools and 10 minutes. If this is true then it would render gun registration pointless, wouldn't it?

 

You spoke of registration. This is not that.
Moving the goalpost?

 

Because it would provide a way to trace those firearms back to the person who sold them illegally. They are willing to break the law because they currently can't easily be caught.

 

If someone murdered your family member would their rights matter as much to you as if your child were falsely accused of a crime?

Feelings cloud logic and reasoning.

Everyone has a right to defend their own lives, and to band together for the common defense. This is a right of all living creatures.

Firearms are the best tool for defense of one's life and liberty, ergo, we have the right to keep and bear arms.

 

No I was referring to tracking the ownership of firearms through registration. Vehicles are tracked in this way. Calling it a title or a registration doesn't matter.

 

I don't think it is so easy. Feel free to provide some evidence that it is. It could also be made more difficult.

 

Straw purchasers already have their name attached to gun on the 4473 at the gun store.
FFL holders already have the firearm attached to them through ATF records, including the 4473
People selling guns illegally will -never- have a given gun attached to them.

Again: How will registration deter someone already willing to commit a federal felony?

 

Vehicle registration has a specific meaning - it is attached to your license plate.
No one speaks of a car title as registration.

 

So you are claiming that someone can sell a gun with their name attached to it illegally and then have it used in a crime, but they won't trace it back to the seller and charge them with a crime? That's total nonsense. There is no registry for guns in the US except for maybe two states. Your claims are just hot air.

 

OK well lets call it a gun title then. Does that make you happy?

 

Even use a Dremel tool? Ever see a firearm S/N stamped into a receiver?
This should not have to be explained.

 

But it can still be in your possession, and they can't take it from you, as long as you stay away from public roads. You can own a car that isn't even street legal, and no, it wouldn't have a title. For example, cars that have been totalled lose their title. I know of people who would buy totalled trucks (without titles) to use as a beater farm truck. All a title is is proof that you own the car for the purposes of registering it (which is getting permission to use it on public roads). Otherwise, the car is yours, just like most of your items that you own that don't have government records of are yours.

Anyway, gun control has been a losing battle. Most people (outside of a few states that are becoming police states) in the U.S. have more gun rights and less gun control than they had 20 years ago. Gun registration didn't work in Canada, it won't work here.

 

The sooner we start the better

 

You are wrong. You can't remove a serial number from a gun that easily. Police have methods of pulling the serial number off the metal even if it has been shaved off.

 

The fact you have the last legal owner in no way means you have proof he committed a crime.
Gun registration will not change this.

 

If you don't have a title you don't own the vehicle.

 

Prove this.
How much metal grinding have you done?

 

Yes they do. Plus possession of a altered weapon is an additional charge to plea bargain with

 

Right, which is why requiring them to register would show who the last legal owner is.

 

In the end, it doesn't change anything.

 

So I'm guessing no you did not in fact Google it and notice that it is the standard example of a prefatory/operative pair given. Most of your link is based on a linguist making a legal argument.

Your credentials haven't even been claimed, just your father's. I don't get to stand on my daddy's law degree, I had to go get my own.

I'll see your linguist and raise you two well respected legal scholars.

http://www.constitution.org/2ll/schol/2amd_grammar.Htm

http://www.virginiainstitute.org/publications/primer_on_const.php#c0

http://www2.law.ucla.edu/volokh/common.htm

 

Also how it got into the criminals hand if he wants to plea bargain his charges down

 

Again: The fact you have the last legal owner in no way means you have proof he committed a crime.