Healthcare costs and the free market

Discussion in 'Health Care' started by ARDY, May 6, 2017.

  1. Vegas giants

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    You can misquote me if you like but I will correct you. Might makes right as expressed thru the will of the people is what I said. Clearly the will of the people even in germany did not want a holocaust.
     
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    No, you really haven't.
     
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    Certainly some governments can misinterpret the will of the people and abuse the system. But in the end tyrants always fail. Always.
     
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    Thank you for your opinion.
     
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    How though? Be specific to Newton's discovery of calculus.

    America began as a libertarian country. Just read the Declaration of Independence. It is arguably the most libertarian political document in history.
     
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    According to the 2016 State of World Liberty Index, the 10 most libertarian countries are:
    • New Zealand
    • Switzerland
    • Canada
    • Australia
    • Ireland
    • Finland
    • Netherlands
    • Denmark
    • Chile
    • Luxembourg

    Just for fun, google "famous swiss scientists".
     
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    You didn't really answer my question.
     
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    I am saying they certainly could not organize as a group and aid in the effort on their own. Oh wait.....that's because they don't exist on that level. LOL
     
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    Wonderful. So those are libertarian countries. Would you like us to be more like Denmark, Netherlands, Canada....etc?
     
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    Is it really necessary for you to keep spamming "LOL" at me? I'm just trying to have a mature discussion about politics.

    Anyway, why can't libertarians organize as a group and commit to their own defense or the defense of others?
     
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    I did explain it just before the line you quoted. In very simplified terms, currently, government spends around $5k per person on healthcare and private citizens/organisations spend around $5k per person on healthcare. You are proposing that the government gives everyone a minimum of $10k which at least doubles their expenditure. I'm not sure how clearer I could make it.

    But you're not talking about people spending their own money, you're talking about them spending government money.

    How would emergency care work? How would the average person have the information to choose providers? What happens to people who run out of their $10k and need further treatment or even in the middle of treatment? What if they've spent their (first) $10k on elective treatment or unproven procedures?

    As a side point, you don't need to make a new post for each reply. You can put them all in one.
     
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    I most certainly did
     
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    So serious. Lighten up son. We are not solving the problems of the world. We are having a little fun.

    I don't know. Why can't they? They have never done so
     
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    Actually, I would. First and foremost, those countries are much smaller in scale than the USA. Scaling down the US political system would be a good thing. Secondly, they all tend to have non-interventionist foreign policy, which is a very important element of libertarian ideology.
     
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    Which people?
     
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    No, you definitely did not. You just moved the goalposts to governments failing to represent the will of the people.
     
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    Yes. And socialized medicine as well as a WIDE range of social services. I agree.
     
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    The majority of germans
     
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    Ok. I disagree
     
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    All I'm asking is that you be respectful. Spamming LOL at me and calling me son is not respectful.

    You tell me. You're the one who claimed they couldn't.

    Really? Then what was the American revolution?
     
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    Yes, but on a much smaller scale than the USA. That is a very important distinction.
     
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    Actually they do not operate on a smaller scale.....they are smaller countries. They have nationwide programs that affect every person in their country. We should have the same.
     
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    Yes, and I would like to be their size. Maybe a breakup of the US would help.
     
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    Even if I give you that one it is over a 200 year old reference.....where have you guys been?
     
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    The size of Canada?
     

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