Just what is "Antifa" and can they be called the new alt-left?

The SDS was a splinter group that broke away from CPUSA and became the leaders of the counter culture movement during the 1960's and would become the "New Left" during the 1970's and today are the top bananas of the corrupt Democrat party who are still stuck in the 1960's.

The Special Ops branch of the SDS were the Weathermen (Weather Underground) Instead of toppling statues of American history they preferred bombs blowing up banks, ROTC buildings and police stations.

 

I posted this someplace else. It applies to this comment.

It's long, sorry. There times I do actually post Word Salad.


The Progressive Assault on America.

The Left has understood that they are waging a social war for control since the beginning, and the Left has moved accordingly. Education was their first target: control education and you control the ideas that shape peoples' thinking from an early age. Encourage lefties who want to 'make a difference' to go into teaching, get onto school boards, attend PTA meetings, and continue to demand that leftist narratives be taught. Move up into colleges and universities, where the real activism heats up among students old enough to act independently from their parents. Educate tomorrow's leaders: professors, mayors, judges, lawyers, politicians, civil service managers, diplomats, city councilmen, so that your values translate into policy.

Next stage, educate the business people who will buy up the media outlets so that what people hear will be your viewpoint. Shape the conversation. Highlight your concerns while ignoring opposing viewpoints (or better yet, misrepresent opposing viewpoints to discredit them). Define the terms so that the very words used to discuss the issues are loaded to favor your viewpoint. People can't be there in one hundred thousand different places to witness what actually is happening....they only know what you tell them, so what actually happens becomes what you say happened.

That strategy has born fruit, and now it's on to the next stage: attack your opponents in the streets. Shoot cops. Riot, loot, and burn. Assault counterdemonstrators. Ban dissident speakers. Get opponents fired by outing them to employers (some of whom are fellow Lefties). Assault people wearing the wrong messages on t-shirts and signs. Steal campaign signs. Show up at polling places with armed thugs to ensure "social justice".

Sounds 'extreme', but it's been going on for a couple years now. What's next? Some bottom of the barrel disturbed malcontent is going to commit mass murder at one of these rallies. This will cross the line separating fisticuffs from civil war. If a firearm is used, the Left will use the occasion to call for gun control/registration/confiscation, and if a bomb is used government will step up intrusive procedures to head off more from going off. And we will step a few more steps down the ladder towards a shooting civil war between political factions.

Read Bill Ayers. Read Lenin and Trotsky. Read the histories of the Russian and Chinese Revolutions. It's all there. We're not 'having a dialog', we're in an ideological war. We're playing for all the marbles, and any rule you can get away with breaking is no rule at all.

 

Antifa are fascists

There is no difference between them today and the nazi brown shirts under ernst rohn in nazi germany

 

One of Antifa's motto is 'speech is violence' which is becoming more ingrained in run of the mill democrat thinking and acceptance and started on college campuses.

Antifa applies this to any conservative speaker like Milo or Ann Coulter and as you can see on this forum many of us have been called white nationalist and KKK sympathizers for standing up for the 1st amendment.

That is how badly skewed the PC left thinking has become.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/07/students-free-speech-trauma.html

 

It's starting to look like it too.

Go figure, after 8 years with an Ayers Buddy in the WH

 

I consciously opted to not answer your question, as is my right.

That way you get to fill in the missing information with your own ideas about my motives and beliefs.

They seem unChristian to me, the recipient of such diminishing guesswork.

 

Translation: Not denouncing Antifa's violence means you support it aka the left wing Trump standard.

 

His name was Ernst Roehm = chief of SA brown shirts and he was gay too...
And there is an important difference between both, because his SA would have smashed the Antifa like the righty dickheads did in Charlottesville...
And at that age of Roehm, there was Antifa too, even with other name and they were part of KPD = Kommunistische Partei Deutschland (Communist party of Germany) ... who was same sort of scum like the brown shirts!

 

You're right.

American antifa are hypocritical fascist anarchists. Period.

 

So we agree that in Charlottesville was clash of Antifa and Nazi scum who both are not more as scum?
We agree, too, that the drive into a crowds is a terror act, no matter who are the victims?
We also agree that on both sides were also peaceful protesters existing?

 

In my opinion, both sides are scum. Antifa just happen to be hypocrites as well.

But I'm sure some of the people there were peaceful.

 

There are violent groups on the left and the right.

This is the result of continued decrease in size of the middle class. That vast majority of the wealth in this country is held by a few. The top 14,000 families hold 22% of the nations wealth. The majority of people see no benefit of increased economic growth and profits. This causes people to feel marginalized or forgotten.

A lot of social change has happened over 60 years. Segregation, Jim Crow Laws ended. Equal rights laws passed. Gay marriage legal. Gays and transsexuals are allowed in the military(Yes, still Trumps tweet did not change anything yet) and it continues to press onward. When there is a lot of social change you get push back from some people. Support from others. People on both sides become more entrenched and tribal. Both fighting for opposite goals. One side wants things how they used to be. The other wants to press on with change. At times it turns violent. Something not new and unique in American History. You could call our founding fathers and those that followed them alt-left and the British supporters the alt-right. Judging by 1700 standards they were pretty liberal.

This whole thing is not new.

As a country we have been through this before. Irish and German Roman Catholics immigrants upsetting the Protestants. Some today are echoing the same complaints people were in the 1800's. They are stealing jobs, they are criminals, they will mainly vote Democrat because the party at that time focused on the needs of lower income people, they will just be leaching off society and giving nothing back. Guess what happened. Violent clashes and a nativist movement gained momentum. It caused a divide in the nation and many politicians ran on a anti-immigrant platform.

They had stuff like this for their campaigns:


The foreign influence being immigrants.

Another interesting thing was also beginning to happen in the early 1800's and gaining momentum. Talk about abolishing slavery. Racial tensions. Causing such a ado that a Civil war was eventually fought.

There was also rather large cultural differences mainly between the South and the North. The North were considered the elitist and cosmopolitans like urban centers are viewed today.

The industrial revolution also arrived in the US. Machines started being used and different industries became more productive and did not need to hire as many people to get the same amount of work done. Similar to what we are facing today with the advancements in automation. It also caused the same concerns that some people have about losing their job to a machine.

With the industrial revolution came increased profits and growing economy. Like now with the opening and increase in global markets only a few really benefited relative to the majority. Some people had issues with that.

I will stop here. Went on longer than I thought I would.

TL/DR: This has happened before in the US to varying degrees. A lot of change over a short period, immigrants being vilified, few people really profiting from a large economic change. We can hope it is limited to clashes in the streets here and there between the people willing to resort to violence on both sides.

IMHO we have entered a time where we will see more and more violence like what happen in Charlottesville. I hope I am wrong, but see it getting worse. Would much prefer people letting their voice be heard and be left alone while doing it.

 

We do not have all the info about the car and driver. I've heard some say they saw video showing his car was under attack, having baseball bats hitting it and bricks thrown at it. For all we know he was trying to flee for his life. After seeing some of these leftist riots where they pull white guys out of their car and beat the crap out of them, I'd run them over too if they tried to do that to me.

 

Considering the second degree murder charge(that I know of) circumstance / motive seem to be an issue for sure.

 

Translation: I have to consistently imagine lesser things about those I disagree with in my imagination in order to make sense of my worldview.

 

Jesus christ guys.

Antifa isn't the equivalent of the Brown Shirts... They are the equivalent of the Roter Frontkampferbund, the ones who opposed them. The contemporary equivalent of the Brown Shirts are your guys here. Study history instead of parroting it.

 

What does all that fortune pays for in Antifa's case? Gasoline? Empty wine bottles? Black facemasks? It's easy to see that Antifa folk are a homegrown slice of marginality, without any ressources or even organization... How do you organize anarchists anyway?

 

It's more than that, they have all black clothing, they have the buses to take them to the action, and they get paid to protest and riot.

 

Buses full of antifa people? Colour me doubtful.

Anyway, anyone can rent transportation - we did it when we were in our 20s - it's cheap. It's just surprising that a transportation company will take contracts that are about black-clad, masked, gas-carrying and ill-intended young crowds. And probably lubed up. If Antifa is so rich, why are they not armed with genuine weaponery? APCs? Armor? Training camps? Just one look and we can see these are young, not particularly rich people with homegrown means... Financing black clothing, really - is it necessary? Everybody's got a set of black clotning...

 

Not able to verify some of the links listed here while I'm at work.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/huppke/ct-paid-protesters-huppke-20170227-story.html

 

"Antifa, they threw so many bricks they inflamed an entire country"

Yeah I'm not hurt by an Antifa protestor getting macked with a vehichle, they deserve it after the past year of acting like savages.

 

From the get go, my reading of your article was limited by constant, threatening pop-ups, but from what I could read, this is based on the existance of a site that I think is too obvious not to be totally bogus.

That being said, I understand that some lawyers are ready to do some pro-bono work for some of the accused antifa - but paying them each one 1500 bucks a week seems quite excessive to me.

Another thing; You guys seem to make no difference between Democrats, progressives and anarchists, like if antifa members all carried a Democrat party card. IMO, they're much more closer to the 45% that didn't care enough to vote...

 

I primarily saw videos of the right wing carrying shields and the left wing carrying sticks, bats and clubs.

 

Both groups were armed for battle

 

Sounds like your upset that Trump called out the weaker of the extremists, making sure the wannabe thugs of Antifadas got some recognition, huh?

You would have been real happy if the Antifadas wouldn't have been called out, huh. You would much prefer the thug wannabes were kept on the downlow, Right?