Isn't Equality Ultimately in Women's best Interests?

Whooooosh".......the sound of sarcasm going over your head

 

Oh, so now instead of defending your comments you blame sarcasm....sad.

 

It should be clear by now even to you that the argument being presented is that modern day feminism is NOT about equality. It "became insane" because it ran out of dragons to slay, but absolutely requires a perpetual victim narrative, or else feminist leaders would have to get real jobs. Enter insanity. Now feminism rails against the evils of manspreading (as though men's pelvic bones have the same shape as women's), and gets "intersectional" with Islam, ignoring the Islamic rape culture while creating a mythology of an American rape culture. It's total batshit.

 

Unless you can swim with the sharks, no one makes it to the halls of power, comparing a lack of women there due to discrimination is kind of unjust since most men don't wield power either and many men are never going to, its a small tip of a large pyramid with the masses being stepped on at the bottom. Men and women stepped on. Life isn't fair to a lot of people I was born disabled and guess what got stepped on and the ADA was crap to help me. Life isn't fair and gender discrimination seems odd to be such a big issue when in many countries women would want to be you and your first world issues mean nothing to some women who just need a few hundred dollars to help with a business at home or access to even basic education and health care.

I am a KIVA charity lender and give my loans mostly to women since they benefit most when using the money and help their families with running a small business or other practical endeavor I'm not some monster I love women, I help women when I can and know your whining about not being CEO's is kind of a waste of time to many people who know about how women not so lucky have it. But I would rather help a woman running a small farm of goats than worry about the plight of the American woman especially since women in the third world are in need of basic rights and basic economic stability. If I can help a wife I help the family the daughters, the sons, the husband and maybe the extended family the elderly parent perhaps.

So Renee why should I worry about you and spoiled American women who call themselves feminists but do nothing for the global plight of women who need real help not idealism? I help these poor women in a real way, not with handouts but vital access to credit for a hand up. If a woman can make a added income sewing clothes with a loan I helped give them say a daughter can join in her business, it makes me feel good and I know it helped them to get an added income which in the long run is real help that makes their lives better. I can't save everyone but can help a few people at a time.

 

Let’s deny reality....how insane that women are now reporting sexual abuse...of course, it doesn’t happen....how insane that women believe they are still being paid less and not getting promoted. Those studies are part of a conspiracy,and Silicon Valley in the news is just insane, nah, no sexism.
What is interesting is that you talk about modern day feminism and I am an activist of the second wave and the rhetoric was exactly the same, by insecure men.
And then there is this silliness that we ignore the Islamic rape culture. Perhaps you should Google all the organizations that are fighting for those women . Try educating yourself, but then if you do Trump won’t like you

 

Gee, I should be so grateful because I don’t live in an oppressed country. Blacks are so lucky, they’re not being lynched, .jews are so lucky, they’re not being gassed,...we are all so spoiled.
What really is annoying is your supposed" generosity " and yet are totally ignorant of what we "spoiled" women do for women globally. Here , educate yourself
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/23/magazine/23women-list.html

 

I believe I have defended my arguments....you just don’t get it!

 

Can't address post 270? Why? Too factual? Or you can't use anything but silly one liners to deflect?

 

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OH, the old CRAP about how women should feel soooo appreciative of what we FINALLY got in the way of rights that we should've had all along BECAUSE some other women have it worse.


Sarcasm alert : """"OH THANK YOU FOR not stoning us for having affairs , we are so grateful!!! """"

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and there's the sexist disclaimer,
"I love women" as if they are a thing, one THING. They aren't , they are individual human beings, not things like "I love cats"....

And there's the predictable sexist "shaming women for wanting what men have by saying other women don't have as much and THEY are happy with the crumbs""

The rest is a story and a claim that only you help women.[/QUOTE]

 

Nobody EVER said that sexual abuse doesn't happen. Could you be any more obvious with your strawmen? (Hint: it happens to males, too. And they are less likely to report it than women because that abuse is not taken as seriously. The woman will be a bona fide victim, the man laughed at.)

No, what is insane is the belief that the disparity is due to sexism, and not due to women's choices. A great example of this insanity was the Women's March, when some women decided it would be a great idea to protest the wage gap by proving that they could not be relied upon to come to work.

Ah, so much in this little statement. First, as far as "studies" go, if you start with certain assumptions you will reach certain conclusions. Looking at life through a Critical Theory lens, you will never see anything but oppression everywhere you look (prompting feminist leader Anita Sarkeesian to unironically proclaim "Everything is racist. Everything is sexist. Everything is homophobic.") Second, MOST "scientific" studies done today cannot be replicated, meaning that they are not science. Maybe the studies you refer to are in the minority which can be replicated, but without knowing that for certain, the odds are that they can't be.
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-39054778

Next, I want to point out the irony of you dismissing out of hand a conspiracy in the studies (again, something I never claimed. As I said, it is a matter of the preconceptions brought to the table. When everyone accepts the same dogma, a formal conspiracy is unnecessary. It's just GIGO at that point). The irony is that feminists are some of the biggest conspiracy theorists on the planet. The entire ideology is pinned on the Patriarchy Conspiracy Theory.

As for Silicon Valley in the news, yeah, I hear about it a lot. What I NEVER hear is those news outlets decrying the disparity in life threatening, back breaking jobs. While men are out there, busting their asses, literally risking their lives every day, feminists are sitting behind desks in air conditioning bitching about not getting paid as much as the human crash dummies get paid.

In related news, the first time I heard that Tom Petty was dead, it wasn't true. But then, time passed, and then it WAS true (even though the rhetoric was exactly the same). Funny how that happens.

Hahaha bonus leftist points for shoehorning Trump into the conversation. But seriously, there may be organizations trying to introduce first wave feminism to societies that really need it, but that has nothing to do with what is happening in the West. Western feminism is about pushing third wave feminism, which no society needs.

 

First of all men don’t report it because they are ashamed....and when they do they are taken very seriously! Women have to prove they weren’t "asking for it"
The women’s march was a lot more than not going to work . ...what the hell are you even talking about? The millions who rallied all over the world and the country weren’t skipping work on a Saturday
I get the feeling that the only studies you accept are the ones you agree with. I guess you have a study that you can show me that feminists are the biggest conspiracy theorists. Of course...poor men, victims of matriarchy
Your misogynistic description of women in Silicon Valley is all telling. I don’t know why you loathe women so much that you view them as you do. I think you should really try to understand. Men busting their asses while feminists just bitch and do little. Are the women who raise children, work minimum wage jobs just Bitchers? They believe in women’s equality...just the way the men I know and respect do. You obvious,y have some issues and I am wasting my time trying to show you people who believe in equal rights for women (feminists) are not these people you need to vilify.
Sorry if you don’t like me inserting trump, he is our president and has little respect for strong women also

 

Most of the BS isn't with addressing but I will address this bit of crap :"""As for Silicon Valley in the news, yeah, I hear about it a lot. What I NEVER hear is those news outlets decrying the disparity in life threatening, back breaking jobs. While men are out there, busting their asses, literally risking their lives every day, feminists are sitting behind desks in air conditioning bitching about not getting paid as much as the human crash dummies get paid."""

Since when do ALL men have "life threatening, back breaking jobs" and women don't ?

Are the techs in Silicon valley really doing "life threatening, back breaking jobs""? Are all men? Bankers? CEOs? Architects? Space engineers?

Really!? Are there no female firefighters doing life threatening, back breaking jobs?


YUPPERS! When nurses found out they were paid less than the janitors( with those life threatening , back breaking jobs ) in their hospital they got all uppity and demanded more pay...

 

Oh I get it kitten.

 

Post 270? Quote it if you can.

 

Please cite the law or court case which establishes that women must prove that.

Ditto. However, I just gave a sourced citation that proves that we should all be skeptical about so-called scientific studies, unless we know that the findings of a specific study have been reproduced. Rigor matters.

No need. The constant tin foil Patriarchy Conspiracy speaks for itself.

Oh, I know you would hate to share the victim train. It's sad that you can't see how equally ridiculous it is to say "poor women, victims of patriarchy".

The fact that you saw misogyny in what I said is all telling. Do not women AND men in Silicon Valley sit behind desks in air conditioning?

I don't loathe women. I loathe third wave feminists. Don't conflate the two.

You're just doing everything you can to misrepresent my argument. I talk about pampered Silicon Valley types, and you come back talking about women on minimum wage. Those women actually have their heads screwed on a little better. They understand that the dude working beside them is making the same minimum wage they are.

I also believe in equal rights for women. If you can name any rights (actual rights) women do not have that men do have, I will join you in helping secure those rights (even though I know those efforts would not be reciprocated). So name one.

I just think Trump is a red herring, and I don't want the conversation to be derailed by red herrings.

 

What? you couldn't count back that far??

doombug said: ↑
Oh you mean when men fought and died fighting for freedom? And when working for a living was much more brutal? When women were not demanding equality because the world was a much more brutal place?""""""

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FoxHastings: What!!! A "brutal" place ? WTF are you talking about ? Being a banker or a doctor or an architect is brutal ??WTF are you talking about..


And your : ""Oh you mean when men fought and died fighting for freedom?"""

is another example of women not being valued....WOMEN fought and died for this country too and total IGNORANCE of history won't change that FACT...see how YOU valued women LESS....

 

I guess it happened about the same time as when every single woman started getting paid 73% of what every single man makes. In case that went over your head, what it means is that I was speaking in the aggregate. Obviously, not ALL men work those kinds of jobs. Equally obvious is that they work those jobs WAY more than women do. And you won't see any news stories about how THAT disparity needs to be eliminated. That tech job disparity, though... we'll be hearing ALL about that.

Oh wow, you mean to tell me there are exceptions to the rule? No ****ing way. /sarcasm

Citation needed.

 

They make crap in most places. When we have executives who do nothing but be important making millions of dollars, I don't understand how we can have teachers making less than $40,000 a year, but we do in many cases. They may get holidays off, but do you think they can take vacations during the school year? It's a rare occurrence. I don't get summers off, but I do get two weeks vacation, 1 week of sick time, 10 federal holidays and 4 personal days... so it's not that far off. Plus, they have to deal with all the bratty kids, AND their crappy parents. There's not enough money in the world to compensate them for that

This is misleading because the parties switched by 1936.
http://factmyth.com/factoids/democrats-and-republicans-switched-platforms/

 

Maybe that's the author's experience. I happen to be a gay woman, and have never felt sexism from gay men. By the way sexism isn't just about discriminating against women, I think many gay men often feel similar forms of sexism. Society says that the feminine is lesser, weaker and overall not as good as the masculine. Therefore women are subject to sexism for obviously being more feminine, gay men are often times victims of sexism because they are too feminine and straight men can be recipients of sexism because they are embracing "feminine qualities" too much. For example my 5 year old nephew was just made fun of for wearing a Frozen shirt to school because it's "girly", which is less than something masculine apparently. When men are told to man up and stop crying, that is sexism. Not anti man sexism, but sexism that they are being too feminine and therefore weak.

 

SO? That doesn't mean they should generally get paid more than all women! They shouldn't get paid more for than the woman doing the same job.

There's no disparity ...women aren't obligated to take certain jobs...that's wacko to think so....and has nothing to do with equal rights or equal pay.

Of course YOU won't nor will anyone who automatically believes the woman who brought t up, or any woman who brings it up , are liars.

You had no "rules".

Nope, it happened and your denial won't change that. Your insistence that women have never been discriminated against would prevent you from accepting it from those nurse's mouths...and you would call them liars anyway...[/QUOTE]

 

You Finally got it , twinkle toes

 

Oh come on, teaching isn’t really important...they’re only responsible for our children and the future of the country. ((Sarcasm alert) ...but it’s a female dominated profession so they can get away with it. Nurses were lowly paid but because of those mean feminists, women are now going into medicine and there is a nursing shortage so the pay is going up. By the way teachers are paid on a ten month pay scale...I remember come September I was broke. The union got the pay stretched out for months . And if they were paid for their summers they would make a whopping 44k. I speak to over 1000 teachers every year and one of the worst problems is teachers are leaving the profession in droves.

 

..and I bet anything that you bought some needed school supplies out of your own pocket......My sister taught and I was shocked at what she provided at her own expense.

That's dedication and commitment beyond the call of duty ...

 

When I began teaching, not only did I buy school supplies, I bought many kids eye glasses. I taught in one of the toughest schools and people would ask how I could stay there,,,my answer was, “how could I not? “

 

That’s why I call it femiphobia. It is that men hate gay men because they think they act like women...and what could be worse! If you notice it’s only gay men, they get off on lesbians .